OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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bsman said:
This all fits so nicely with the Calvinist/Puritan ethos as advocated by the modern Conservative movement. These folks have collectively turned their backs on the principles from The Enlightenment that were fundamental to the formation of the US and have fabricated an alternative fact tale in which wealth is the ultimate measure of righteousness. If you are poor, you must by definition be evil and thus do not deserve any assistance. To me, that is the ultimate negation of the American dream and lies at the heart of every aspect of the current Republican platform.
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and has since somewhere in the 1920's
 
mongooz said:
and has since somewhere in the 1920's
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Actually, the Democratic party in the South represented the reactionary worldview and it was only after the Democratic LBJ Administration passed the Voting Rights Act in 1965 and the Civil Rights Act in 1968 and Nixon implemented the infamous "Southern Strategy" that the orientation central to the identity of the two parties began to shift into their present form. Prior to this, it was not at all uncommon to find very liberal Republicans and very reactionary Democrats.
 
bsman said:
Actually, the Democratic party in the South represented the reactionary worldview and it was only after the Democratic LBJ Administration passed the Voting Rights Act in 1965 and the Civil Rights Act in 1968 and Nixon implemented the infamous "Southern Strategy" that the orientation central to the identity of the two parties began to shift into their present form. Prior to this, it was not at all uncommon to find very liberal Republicans and very reactionary Democrats.
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Pretty much. FDR began the shift.

Reagan turned the shift to utter stupidity, on top of the racism.
 
mongooz said:
Five fresh setbacks for Republicans, who just can’t catch a break
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...can-t-catch-a-break/59262502e9b69b2fb981db8f/

lots of interesting things in this article. some we knew...some are new.
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None of this matters in the big political picture:
  • Gianforte: Few Republicans will care about a guy in Montana assaulting a British reporter from a liberal newspaper. Even fewer people care what happens in Montana at all. It’s hard to relate to a state that’s mostly empty spaces, no big cities, and a population of 1,042,520.
  • Sessions: Republicans have overlooked his awfulness for decades, this won’t change anything.
  • Debt limit: Most American voters are to this shitshow coming up over and over. The GOP turns this into a spectacle every year, sometimes twice a year. It’s just normal politics now.
  • Carrier cutting jobs: Most people accept layoffs as business as usual in America. The few people who will have a political opinion on this will be partisans who vote on the party line anyway.
  • Awful CBO scores for GOP policy: most Americans can’t even pay their taxes without help. They can’t understand CBO analyses, either.
 
sleewell said:
Appeals Court Slaps Down Donald Trump's Travel Ban Yet Again
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Mark Wein said:
Wow. As an American I'm mortified that this moron made this speech today: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/05/watch-trump-shove-nato-leader-get-front-group-photo

Watch the faces of the other leaders when he starts chastising them over money.
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I don't get that he never considered that the US might be overspending on defense, and the rest of the world is spending at a sane and sustainable level. I mean, the US has like more aircraft carriers that the rest of the world, combined. Maybe the problem is that American politicians belong to the military industrial complex, and our spending matches the desired spending to prop up defense contractor stock prices, rather than reflecting actual need to defend our country/countries.
 
Tiltsta said:
I don't get that he never considered that the US might be overspending on defense, and the rest of the world is spending at a sane and sustainable level. I mean, the US has like more aircraft carriers that the rest of the world, combined. Maybe the problem is that American politicians belong to the military industrial complex, and our spending matches the desired spending to prop up defense contractor stock prices, rather than reflecting actual need to defend our country/countries.
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not as an excuse for spending for a long time, but......russia HAS 4X it's military spending in the last 5 years or so. and the tech they've got going in their new equipment is out pacing us noticeably. scary stuff. @Mark Wein had a link to it a few pages ago.
but, russia is really the only one we couldn't defend ourselves from with current equipment, maybe china, but they don't have the intercontinental capability as russia.
 
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