OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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Help!I'maRock! said:
And that's why we're in this shitty position. Because neither side will even consider talking to the other.
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That's not true/accurate. President Obama has tried throughout his Presidency to find common ground with congressional Republicans. Garland as a SCOTUS nominee was a tame choice for that very reason. He gave them someone that wasn't extremely liberal...if anything a centrist that might even lean slightly right, but a seemingly quality judge.
 
Dogsinotpalc said:
That's not true/accurate. President Obama has tried throughout his Presidency to find common ground with congressional Republicans. Garland as a SCOTUS nominee was a tame choice for that very reason. He gave them someone that wasn't extremely liberal...if anything a centrist that might even lean slightly right, but a seemingly quality judge.
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President Obama isn't responsible for your words.
 
Help!I'maRock! said:
That's the thing, though. It's not everyone. Target those who think it's ok to be all of those terrible things. Keep Bannon out if that's your thing (it is mine). But don't treat everyone as though they're those terrible things because that only alienates people further.
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I get that and stated such, it's just that we don't have a racist/sexist/xenophobe or what have you detector.

While we don't really want to lump them altogether, we don't know where any of his supporters stand. And just like his candidacy gave a voice to repressed silence among some very angry and prejudice people (that openly raised their hate-filled voices in support), it also skewed the polls (as there was a certain amount of shame of admitting support of Trump among his tamer supporters). That first group completely and loudly embraced every horrible aspect of his message, but that second group didn't and won't publicly admit to being afraid of Mexicans (and other non-whites), Muslims (and other non-Christians), women's equality, and more. So, it's not like you can trust everyone that says, "I voted for a real change and not because I hate X, Y, Z, L, H, J, and E." They created a monolithic group that is nearly have the registered voters that bothered to vote this year. This is not a small fringe group like the incredible small (albeit effective) number of radical fundamentalist Muslims that are terrorists compared to the billion plus people that practice Islam.

So much of what he claimed to represent is just awful and you can't just get what you perceived as good about him and his message (because he didn't present any concrete plans worth shit). As such if you switched parties (for whatever lame reason), are a lifelong Republican myopically voting, were brainwashed to think Hillary was the root of all evil...you also cast a vote that says you're at least somewhat willing to accept or are okay with the all of the terrible shit he said. A statement or possibly bullshit vote for change was more important than what our country is supposed to stand for and all the progress it has made to accept and embrace our awesome differences. Instead of continuing to move forward, you voted for stepping back decades in: international philosophy EXCEPT for being friendly with Russia, environmental policy (based on fact), religious acceptance, embracing our global partners (again except for Russia), women's place in society, sexual assault of women, and more.

It's hard to feel bad for these people that are feeling lumped in with the shit they tacitly agreed by casting their vote for Trump. Had this shit come up after he was sworn and was actually in the Oval Office...well that's always a risk and I would fully understand wanting to separate yourself. But voting for him when a huge part of his endlessly aired platform was based on fear-mongering and hate and then saying, "but that's not the part I voted for." Yeah, whatever. You've alienated people and have to deal with it. It's all a part of the process. We have to deal with a piece of shit becoming President and they have to deal with us being angry at them regardless of how they want to couch their support.

Maybe they have a register of Trump Voters that Don't Agree with his Hateful Rhetoric (TV-DAHR). That way we can all know who they are and know that they're still good people. Trump likes the idea of registers for groups of people, but maybe that's not one of the things that he suggested that they agree with?
 
Dogsinotpalc said:
That's concise, but unclear.
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President Obama has shown, much to his detriment, a willingness to compromise. Your words, however, show a clear unwillingness on your part to compromise.

And to your above post, yes we do have a detector. Two actually. They're called eyes and ears.
 
Help!I'maRock! said:
President Obama has shown, much to his detriment, a willingness to compromise. Your words, however, show a clear unwillingness on your part to compromise.

And to your above post, yes we do have a detector. Two actually. They're called eyes and ears.
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That's four detectors if you count each eye and each ear.
 
Dogsinotpalc said:
That's not true/accurate. President Obama has tried throughout his Presidency to find common ground with congressional Republicans. Garland as a SCOTUS nominee was a tame choice for that very reason. He gave them someone that wasn't extremely liberal...if anything a centrist that might even lean slightly right, but a seemingly quality judge.
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I don't think throughout is entirely accurate but his first term started off in the direction of trying to reach across the divide and build compromise; it was a key part of his platform. He found out that your desire to compromise isn't enough, you need a willing partner if you want to dance. He addressed this failure to bridge the partisan divide in his final state of the union as a failing of his administration but partisanship is a inherent aspect of our system & it has always been in flux. Today that gap is worse than ever and there are so many factors that cause that. The actions of one President can't reverse the tide. Here's an interesting take: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...failed-to-bridge-the-partisan-divide-graphed/
 
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