VoidTerraFirma
Live to wine
Gun shows are free-for-alls.
OMG Politics, I'm over it already.
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sunvalleylaw
Yep.
I think there are some that will be swayed by the doubling down on his misogyny by trying to use Bill and by trying to physically intimidate her, as Andy @Kerouac mentioned. Some suburban women that had not decided what to do yet. And suburban men as well. I do not think he "stopped the bleeding" except among the faithful.
Beyer160
Vagabond Of The Western World
From the ATF:
To be recognized as C&R items, 478.11 specifies that firearms must fall within one of the following categories:
However, to buy C&R weapons online you need a Federal C&R license- the phrase "online loophole" makes people think anyone can just go to Wal-Mart's website and order a dozen Glocks. Clinton's position on the second amendment bothers me too, but not enough for me to prefer a complete douchebag like Trump.
To be recognized as C&R items, 478.11 specifies that firearms must fall within one of the following categories:
- Firearms which were manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date, but not including replicas of such firearms;
- Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, State, or Federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest; and
- Any other firearms which derive a substantial part of their monetary value from the fact that they are novel, rare, bizarre, or because of their association with some historical figure, period, or event.
However, to buy C&R weapons online you need a Federal C&R license- the phrase "online loophole" makes people think anyone can just go to Wal-Mart's website and order a dozen Glocks. Clinton's position on the second amendment bothers me too, but not enough for me to prefer a complete douchebag like Trump.
Lerxst
spaghetti and blankets
C&R license holders are actually Federally licensed and required to keep a bound book of all transactions & inventory records, subject to audit at any time and must supply a copy of their C&R FFL & ID with transactions so there's still a paper trail on their transactions. I sold something to a C&R holder and had to do some research before hand. He was also willing to do a background check at a regular FFL but of course wanted that deducted off the sale. They're also subject to limits on the number of transactions they can conduct and limited to 'historical/antique/rare' type of firearms.
Lerxst
spaghetti and blankets
I could see how either candidate can lose some of their tepid supporters by changing that person's evaluation of who is the lesser of two evils as events unfold.
wagdog
Ack
VT has never required a permit and doesn't restrict carry method (concealed, open, whatever). Constitutional carry used to be called Vermont Carry for that very reason.Idaho front and center again. And no permit required to carry concealed, and gun rights to carry preserved on college campuses. So that professors can shoot themselves in their own foot.(It happened, it really did). I do not really disagree with you guys that are responsible gun owners on your position. My state happens to be a bit reckless IMO.
And no professors have shot themselves in the foot here... that I'm aware of.
There will always be outliers on both sides of an argument. Your reckless/unlucky professor is a case-in-point.
Is there blood running in the streets in ID now?
Beyer160
Vagabond Of The Western World
They used to be, but I can tell you that here in NC there's been a big crackdown in the last few years with an increase in police presence, and things are done more or less by the book now. I did personally witness several "off books" firearm transactions at gun shows 20-some years ago, but that was more about avoiding payment of taxes than selling guns to criminals.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Not sure at this point there were huge numbers either way. It was an ugly night overall. One for her to weather and him to send hail mary passes and see what happens.
My point on the CR regulations wasn't that this is a major source of illegal firearms, or the selling of guns to those who shouldn't have them. I was trying to highlight that original gun laws might need active modernization. CR transition from muzzle loaders to SKS rifles is an example. Another example might be eliminating the stupid SBR class III rules. Rifle crime and SBR issues haven't been relevant since Al Capone. We are so polarized on gun issues that there is no discussion on logical laws and updating things. I'd gladly trade bayonet lugs for a federal shall issue ccw program
Beyer160
Vagabond Of The Western World
And, these records must be kept for 20 years.
wagdog
Ack
Do tell.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
No, and never said there was. For the most part, it is a hunting state, along with some plinking, and I am sure a few big collectors. But if some guy was sitting at the lunch counter with his glock on his hip, I might try to sit somewhere else. I just don't frankly want to be around guns that much. We live pretty far apart here in Idaho. As my Dad always said, your right to swing your fist (or shoot your gun) ends at the other guy's face. Faces are closer in the city, so more law. Not sure what the answer is. Not super stoked on Hillary on this point. Probably preferred Bernie's stance, as I did on most things. But it is not nearly my top issue, and I do not claim to be completely informed on it.
VoidTerraFirma
Live to wine
Beyer160
Vagabond Of The Western World
OK, you busted me.
I'm a shill for... uh, I'm not sure who. But I'm paid to go around lying about gun shows. They're actually Klan meetings in disguise where everyone is plotting to overthrow the government, and crates of select fire AKs and Eastern Bloc nuclear weapons are bought and sold openly.
I can only speak for my local shows (the Military Trader show has more interesting historical stuff, the Gun & Knife show is split 50/50 hunting/survivalist), but seriously- since Sandy Hook, things are different. I'm sure the same guys are still selling the same stuff, but they're not open about it now.
wagdog
Ack
Fwiw, I think people who open carry firearms and aren't cops are idiots. I still support their right to do so though.
Guns don't bother me. Stupid people doing stupid things with guns bothers me.
Trump was right: Hillary did take advantage of the system to win the nomination... just like he took advantage of the tax code.
You decide which one is more damaging to democracy.
Help!I'maRock!
Mediocringly Derivative
Nobody has a tally of the number of sniffles from tonight? I am disappoint.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
You left out a bunch of stuff, other than guns, taxes and election process (almost sounds like a Warren Zevon lyric) that are important to me, suffice it to say, that I have.
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