OMG Politics, I'm over it already.
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sunvalleylaw
Yep.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Some of the ski/snowboard coach mountain hippies I am sitting with.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
The unofficial results for Blaine County, with the number of delegates going to the state caucus. It is a proportional state rather than winner take all. He seems to be doing well in other parts of the state such as East Idaho.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
They also were giving away free shirts. Or maybe halter tops.
wagdog
Ack
Bernie doesn't stand a chance of being president. Clinton has the nomination locked up tight (and did so even before the primary voting started). VT Senator Patrick Leahy had pledged his vote for Clinton before the primary (http://digital.vpr.net/post/however...says-his-superdelegate-vote-clintons#stream/0)... and even though Sanders took 90% of VT, Leahy will still cast his vote for Clinton. Guess Leahy knows better than the people he supposedly represents. The political machine is still well oiled.
The only real question at this point is how many of Bernie's supporters will line up for Hillary in the general election. It's sad because my feeling is people will once again be voting against another candidate rather for one they actually support.
I think a lot of people nationwide are supporting Bernie because they really do want something different. I hate to say this, but this exactly the same thing that's propelling Trump. That, and the alternatives the Rs have put forward are as scary, if not scarier than Trump. The Republican party is a mess at this point, the Democrats only slightly less so.
Going to be an interesting summer.
Peen Simmons
Let’s Get Obtuse!
The only candidate for ROCK AND ROLL.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/hillary-clinton-for-president-20160323
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/hillary-clinton-for-president-20160323
tiger roach
Urban Bovine Knievel
Cool, an endorsement from The Stone! That might be enough to make Rush Limbaugh vote for her.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
The reason I cast my vote for Bernie is I read up on the issues, read up on the candidates, and my views line up best with him, after multiple times looking at the question. I kinda wanted to like Hillary more, as there are some practical and strategic concerns, but that is not the way it came out. So I voted with the candidate that best matched my views.
In Idaho, the electoral college votes in the general are likely going to go on red state party lines.
If Bernie is not selected, I will vote for Hillary. But, meanwhile, I will cast my vote in an effort to be heard, and elect the candidate I prefer.
In hindsight, I'm wondering if Sanders was ever really anything other than a strawman for Clinton. As wagdog pointed out, Clinton had the nomination in the bag from day one (thanks "Democratic" party for implementing superdelegates thereby destroying the democratic process). Clinton needed someone to oppose for the nomination, but someone who wouldn't make her look bad and lose her votes in the general election.
Seriously, the first rule of running for president is you don't call yourself a socialist.
I may be giving the Clinton campaign too much credit, but this is absolutely brilliant. Get an opponent who will rally support from the young and disenfranchised - someone who will get the undecideds mobilized. Run a primary campaign which consists mostly of patting each other on the back. When you win the nomination, many of the new supporters will switch over to you. Brilliant.
I wonder if Clinton had to promise Sanders the VP spot to get him to buy in?
Seriously, the first rule of running for president is you don't call yourself a socialist.
I may be giving the Clinton campaign too much credit, but this is absolutely brilliant. Get an opponent who will rally support from the young and disenfranchised - someone who will get the undecideds mobilized. Run a primary campaign which consists mostly of patting each other on the back. When you win the nomination, many of the new supporters will switch over to you. Brilliant.
I wonder if Clinton had to promise Sanders the VP spot to get him to buy in?
Peen Simmons
Let’s Get Obtuse!
Cool story, bro. But Bernie was on the college speaking circuit for a year or so before getting in trying to drum up support for a left-leaning candidate (presumably he was trying to demonstrate to Liz Warren that there was enough support out there to challenge Clinton). When Warren declined to get in the mix, Bernie decided to get in himself, initially as a candidate to push the primary to the left. (Remember, this is back when the smart money was on Jim "Terrible Hairpiece" Webb to be Clinton's real electoral competition...and he's slightly to the right of Attila the Hun.)
If anything, the Bernie vote is born of the remnants of the '08 Obama ground machine and unreformed Occupiers, both camps having been fairly well organized and anti-Clintonian. As late as 2014 I was still getting emails from the local Obama volunteers group that I last had contact with in 2008. They finally left me alone after I told them not to bug me again until Barry called off the drone war and closed Guantanamo.
The Clinton machine is good, but they aren't that crafty. Also, why rile up a bunch of true believers on an exposed flank only to have them point out your failings as a champion of the people when that has been a core element of your message since pre-Iowa ad number one? If anything, awakening the Bernie true believers runs the risk of emboldening the Greens or some other party that isn't an officially bought and paid for asset of Corporate Overlords, Inc.
rhino
Kick Henry Jackassowski
I think Trump is disgusting and while I'm all about some crass humor, I can't help but wonder how ya'll would respond if somebody with different views than yourselves had posted something like this about Bernie or heaven forbid Barry O in 2008.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
The RS article makes interesting points that I considered and alluded to when I posted last above. Still, I voted with my conscience. With AZ falling for Clinton, the math gets increasingly hard for Bernie. But I believe Bernie has already had a positive effect on the election cycle, causing Clinton to either modify or clean up her stance on some things. I would love to see a complete changing of the guard and Bernie take all. And I did what I could to support that.
Blaine County is a little mountain micro-climate (social climate I mean) that in some ways resembles the larger West Coast social climate, but much smaller and compressed, so easier to see things. It is full of transplants from the liberal cities of the west, some from places like Boston and New York, and mountain dirt hippies. The folks on the Bernie side of the gym last night were largely much younger, though there were quite a few older folks (myself included) as well. On the other side, you saw mostly boomers. The difference to me was also temperament. (broad generalizations and labels follow next.
) Those on the Hillary side looked mostly like the folks you might see manning the phones at the annual local PBS telethon. People that prefer Carole King and James Taylor People that dive Subaru foresters, and hike, the cross country skiers in the community.
On the Bernie side, you had the young, the more flamboyant, the more artistic, the younger local musicians, the skaters and snowboarders, those that prefer new grass or punk/alt. Also, the vibe was quite different. The Bernie side was louder and more excited. (see guy on the far right of pano shot above) The Hillary side looked slightly nervous and offended by any chanting or cheering.
My wife sat on the Hillary side (though she said she would be happy with either candidate). I asked her what she made of it. She said the Hillary side was "older and quieter."
Blaine County is not a large place. Less than 20,000 all told, and under 800 at this caucus. So not a statistically significant population. But I just thought it was fun and interesting to observe how this fell out in this little mountain community.
Blaine County is a little mountain micro-climate (social climate I mean) that in some ways resembles the larger West Coast social climate, but much smaller and compressed, so easier to see things. It is full of transplants from the liberal cities of the west, some from places like Boston and New York, and mountain dirt hippies. The folks on the Bernie side of the gym last night were largely much younger, though there were quite a few older folks (myself included) as well. On the other side, you saw mostly boomers. The difference to me was also temperament. (broad generalizations and labels follow next.
) Those on the Hillary side looked mostly like the folks you might see manning the phones at the annual local PBS telethon. People that prefer Carole King and James Taylor People that dive Subaru foresters, and hike, the cross country skiers in the community. On the Bernie side, you had the young, the more flamboyant, the more artistic, the younger local musicians, the skaters and snowboarders, those that prefer new grass or punk/alt. Also, the vibe was quite different. The Bernie side was louder and more excited. (see guy on the far right of pano shot above) The Hillary side looked slightly nervous and offended by any chanting or cheering.
My wife sat on the Hillary side (though she said she would be happy with either candidate). I asked her what she made of it. She said the Hillary side was "older and quieter."
Blaine County is not a large place. Less than 20,000 all told, and under 800 at this caucus. So not a statistically significant population. But I just thought it was fun and interesting to observe how this fell out in this little mountain community.
Peen Simmons
Let’s Get Obtuse!
This just in from CNN.com...
Leaked documents prove that rhino made love to a jar of peanut butter, kicked a puppy, and wrote the new Meghan Trainor single.
rhino
Kick Henry Jackassowski
They got it all wrong. Meghan wrote the song about a puppy licking the peanut butter off my balls.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
One other thought on last night's caucus. Hillary's speakers were a 60 something retired female county commissioner, who in my dealings, I would view as "political" in not a super favorable way. The second speaker was a youngish woman (40's) who worked for the Clintons back in the day and has worked in DC a long time. The theme was experience in the trenches and long history.
Bernie's speakers were a female fire fighter/EMT known about the community for her long, over dyed hair and many tats (loud and strident), and a former independent voter who was much more thoughtful, and who described that a vote for the same old thing was not good enough. The message of the first was Bernie was speaking the truth for the working class and had not been bought, and the second guy said basically that Bernie has it right on the issues, is speaking truth, and is a vote for progressive change, and that not to vote for him is to ask for the same old that we have been getting. I voted for him as a delegate to our state caucus. the fire fighter too, as we need 8 of them.
If Hillary takes it, I hope Bernie throws in behind her, as I would hate to see us lose the youth. I will do what I can to talk to the young folks I know that coach the kids, play tunes in town, and are planting their flags for a long term life in this community. It is hard for them to accept incremental change. Hard for me too.
But meanwhile, full steam ahead Bernie! He took both Idaho and Utah! He is popular in Washington state, and there was a massive rally just there. It will be interesting to see what happens there.
Bernie's speakers were a female fire fighter/EMT known about the community for her long, over dyed hair and many tats (loud and strident), and a former independent voter who was much more thoughtful, and who described that a vote for the same old thing was not good enough. The message of the first was Bernie was speaking the truth for the working class and had not been bought, and the second guy said basically that Bernie has it right on the issues, is speaking truth, and is a vote for progressive change, and that not to vote for him is to ask for the same old that we have been getting. I voted for him as a delegate to our state caucus. the fire fighter too, as we need 8 of them.
If Hillary takes it, I hope Bernie throws in behind her, as I would hate to see us lose the youth. I will do what I can to talk to the young folks I know that coach the kids, play tunes in town, and are planting their flags for a long term life in this community. It is hard for them to accept incremental change. Hard for me too.
But meanwhile, full steam ahead Bernie! He took both Idaho and Utah! He is popular in Washington state, and there was a massive rally just there. It will be interesting to see what happens there.
Well, if it were funny and marginally supported by his actual behavior I'd laugh at that, too.
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