College football jam.....

It may have only been 8 pts, but they only managed 2 field goals. If your offense doesn't get in the end zone, you were thumped. :grin:

So last year in the regular season, when LSU beat Bama 9-6, were both teams thumped? :grin:

Of course, we all know which team did get thumped in the championship game that year...
 
I was happy to see Florida becoming relevent again so quickly. I dont know that they are ready to contend for another title yet but good to see them making the adjustment. And keep in mind when you say LSU isnt great this year that they arent what they have been in recent history but still better than most. That's the thing about the SEC. Even the "lesser" teams are very athletic and will sneak up and beat you if you let your guard down. I'll be interested to see if South Carolina is the real deal or not. I keep getting the feeling they will slip up but so far, they are very, very good.

The thing that bothers me about teams like Oregon is, they play those schedules and get full of confidence and it really takes coming up big once or twice a year to pull off a championship. They are certainly a good team but there is a big difference between playing in a tough conference and not. In other words, on a good day they may pull off beating an Alabama type team in the big game but it is unlikely they would get to that game if they had to play an SEC schedule.

The SEC has dominated lately but I suspect it is because the conference has grown. For years, it was almost impossible to win a national title out of that conference because you played almost everone in the conference. Now, as you see, Alabama may not play the real strength of the conference until the SEC championship which makes it easier to enter the final game undefeated.
 
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'Nuff said. :helper:
 
Saw this posted on my other forum and thought it interesting, and related to my frustration with college football in the 21st century. Not that it was all that much different in attitude back in the 80's when I was in school. UW Huskies had plenty of guys "playing school". But it just seems to get worse, and the imbalances that favor conferences like the SEC (including TV coverage, recruiting advantages, etc.) just seem to get more out of balance.
Like I said, I am going to dial back my interest in football, both college and pro, and just enjoy it when I catch some or all of a Husky game and try to accept it for what it is. Otherwise, I just get too frustrated.




The Smartest—or Dumbest—Tweet an Athlete Ever Sent

Dave Zirin on October 8, 2012 - 10:59 AM ET

http://www.thenation.com/blog/170414...ete-ever-sent#

Many allegedly great minds from professors to school presidents have devoted peals of pages to the multi-billion dollar industry otherwise known as NCAA athletics. Yet no one has quite put their finger on the contradictions, frustrations, and tragicomedy of being the labor in this industry - a so-called student-athlete - quite like Ohio State's third string freshman quarterback, Cardale Jones. On Friday Jones tweeted, “Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain’t come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS.”

Jones immediately deleted the tweet – as well as his entire twitter account - but as many have learned before him, deleting a tweet is like cleaning a grease stain with fruit punch. As soon as the 18 year sent his tweet out into the world, Cardale Jones was held up as yet another example of (altogether now) "everything that's wrong" with today's athlete. Even worse, Jones, who hasn't played one snap all season, was benched for Saturday's game. As the Toledo Blade put it, "Mark it down as DNP (tweet).

But Jones’s crime wasn’t authoring what the Daily News called a “lame-brained tweet.” It was committing, to paraphrase Michael Kinsley, the greatest sin in sports: he was caught telling the truth. "We ain't come to school to play classes" will most likely be a quote of mockery that rings through the ages. But Cardale Jones has also hit on something factual. Ohio State football, like a select sampling of the sport's aristocracy, has morphed over the last thirty years into a multi billion dollar business. Even in the shadow of sanction and scandal, according to Forbes Magazine, the Buckeyes program creates $63 million in revenue every year and accounts for 73% of all the athletic departments profits.

Columbus is where legendary coach Woody Hayes was pushed out after striking an opposing player in 1978. He was making $40,000 a year when removed. Their coach today, Urban Meyer, draws a base salary of $4 million and is the highest paid public employee in the state. Meyer also gets use of a private plane, a swanky golf club membership, and a fellowship in his name. He can also earn six figure bonuses as well as raises for staying on the job. The football coach earns three times Ohio State President Gordon Gee. As higher education lawyer Sheldon Steinbach said to USA Today. “The hell with gold. I want to buy futures in coaches' contracts."

The source of the contradictions and confusion that create this moral cesspool is not the riches earned by the Urban Meyers of this world. It's that the players are given nothing but the opportunity for an education they often have neither the time nor desire to pursue. These are 18-22 year olds treated like a hybrid of campus Gods and campus chattel. I once had a former All-American tell me a story of hitting the books until an assistant coach stopped by his dorm room and said, "You know you don't have to do that right?" This particular athlete persevered and graduated and good for him. I can only say that when I was 19, if an authority figure told me I didn't have to study, I would have held an impromptu book-burning in my dorm room. We are corrupting these young people by demanding that they become complicit in a sham. We are telling them to be grateful for the opportunity to be party to their own exploitation. We are telling them effectively to do exactly what Cardale Jones said, and “play school.”

This mentality of “play school” and get a shot at the NFL or the NBA is profoundly effective. It acts as a form of discipline that keeps players in line. This discipline doesn’t only come from coaches, academic advisors, and family members, but other student-athletes as well. A culture is created through “amateur-athletics” that incentivizes keeping your head down. If you’re going to cheat, or take easy classes with compliant professors, you do it quietly and keep the trains running on time. One thing you don't do is point out that the Emperor is buck-naked.

I have a friend who is a professor at Ohio State and he outlined this to me very clearly. He told me that in the wake of Cardale Jones’s tweet that "many student-athletes are enraged. They feel he makes them all look bad when all of them are busting their butts." Their anger is what allows this system to continue as sure as the NCAA. They are angry because Cardale Jones just pulled back the curtain on an NCAA moral terrain built on a 21st century bedrock of bewildering moral confusion. This only changes if Jones’s fellow football players stand with him and ask the question: “Are we all just ‘playing school’ so Urban Meyer can live like some sort of absurdist sports Sultan? Are my blood sweat and tears first and foremost a means to pay for the fuel for my coach's private plane?” We don't know if this will cost Cardale Jones his scholarship in the days to come. But one thing we can be sure about: whether or not he stays will have less to do with his effrontery than whether the freshman can effectively throw a football.
 
The thing is, outside of football and basketball, most of the student-athletes are exactly that: student athletes going to school for a degree (I said most...I'm sure we can all find an example of a less marketable athlete taking the "rocks for jocks" science classes). The big money associated with these programs and the big salaries going to the coaches are obscene, but it's hard to complain when your football program pays for all the non-revenue sports.

As for this particular incident with Jones, well this particular school has a history of "graduating" football players who can't read.
 
@cuffdc, agreed. Just from my experience at UW, the track, crew, XC-running, swimming, etc. athletes that I knew were all very bright students there to pursue their degrees, and get a chance to compete at a high level while they were there. Now, with regard for "rocks for jocks", I, as a liberal arts student, took that myself to fulfill part of my science requirements. But at that time at UW, it was a pretty darned good geology class, coming on the heels of the Mt. St. Helens eruptions. Actually a very worthwhile class, though people still called it that.

And even at UW, which is/was at best regionally strong (other than that period in the 90s before the program got busted), the football program pays for all the other sports. So people look the other way. Still rubs me the wrong way though.
 
The term moral cesspool may be a bit over the top but I'm sure there is still enough of that going on to turn people off. As mentioned, there are many athletes from other sprots and from football, especially at smaller schools, who go to class and to the work. We can all think it's not fair or whatever but basically, it most everyone comes out of it fine. We get quality play and great entertainment. Students get to feel a part of something that is very special. Those athletes "playing school" dont usually actually graduate but it really doesnt matter if they do or not. If they are truly idiots, they will always be idiots. The sport helps fund the schools in many cases which would seemingly keep costs down to some degree. It's a win-win.
 


How does a poor officiating call advance the argument that ND isn't overrated? The runner generally has to be down before the play is over.

ND is 6-0, and that's certainly an achievement. However, they don't have a quarterback and they are as usual ranked about 8 spots above their right spot. Oklahoma, by the way, will smoke them.
 
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ND's defense was smothering all day in the rain and the muck. They stopped Stanford 3 times at the goal line and even in the slow motion of them trying to stretch the ball over the goal at the end of the play, you'll see the side judge was already running into the pile with his arms waving because forward progress was stopped.

Just like every time someone makes a drive on the field, they're stopped, all the players crash down to the ground and then the running back tries to stretch the ball forward after he's stopped. The refs always back the ball up to where they were stopped, not where the player stretched the ball to after he was stopped.

Not even that controversial IMO.

Jake must be a fan of the cheats and thugs at USC. :helper:
 
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