College football jam.....

sunvalleylaw said:
@JohnnyN, My reason is that if in fact it is true that the SEC is the "only good conference" or the vastly superior conference or whatever, that having a system that crowns the nat'l champ from teams largely within once conference will perpetuate the disparities noted by Rev.

At the "amateur" level of college athletics, parity and a level playing field, and access to the party to teams from colleges across the country, has to be a large part of the goal. So, because college athletics has that (or IMO should have that) as a major part of the goal, crowning what some or many believe to be the absolute best has to take a second seat.

Or, we could just do away with the BS, acknowledge that largely the players on these major college teams often have little to do with the schools they represent, and make it some sort of professional farm system. Call a spade a spade and all that. Then the new professional organization can find the best team whatever way it wants.

EDIT: I like Chad's proposal.
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So you are ok with mediocre as long as you perceive it to be fair?
 
When you say "mediocre", I presume you mean that a "lesser" team will get the chance to play against a "superior" team, at least with how the teams across the country line up now. If so, then I say yes. To the extent the college football system tries to remain an amateur sport, I think it has to be that way.

Just like those gymnasts in the olympics.

For the reasons I stated above, it is where I draw the line. I realize many others feel otherwise, and that's ok.
 
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sunvalleylaw said:
When you say "mediocre", I presume you mean that a "lesser" team will get the chance to play against a "superior" team, at least with how the teams across the country line up now. If so, then I say yes. To the extent the college football system tries to remain an amateur sport, I think it has to be that way.

Just like those gymnasts in the olympics.

For the reasons I stated above, it is where I draw the line. I realize many others feel otherwise, and that's ok.
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I have no idea how anyone could advocate having a superior team not having their efforts and excellence rewarded just so a less deserving team can feel warm and fuzzy inside about the fact they tried. If we want to go that route, lets just give everyone a participation ribbon, and tell them how special they are. There is nothing wrong with giving all you have and losing, there is something wrong with rewarding someone with something they didn't earn.

I cant believe that you think parity should be the goal. Being the best is the goal in everything we do. If you cant compete with the best, tough shit. Figure it out. They didn't get to be the best by accident. When the hell did the world get turned upside down? Im I in the Twilight Zone? WTF happened to people. I am dumbfounded, this type of garbage will be the downfall of us all.



I don't mean to sound like Im yelling at you Steve, I just really don't understand this line of thinking at all.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
@JohnnyN, I also sympathize with your point. It is like the womens' overall individual gymnastics comp this year in the Olympics. Based on scores alone, at least one other of the US athletes should have been in the hunt over an athlete from some other country. But the rules only allow so many competitors from each country. So, an example of drawing the rules in what is still considered to be amateur sport to have competition from across a more international sampling of the best, rather from among only the best based on prelim scores or rankings or however they got there. College athletics also should have that sort of parity, IMO. But it still sucks if your team/athlete is better than another competitor.

Depends on the overall goal I suppose.
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Thats bullshit too. You are going to deny a superior competitor a chance at a metal in order to make it fair to Trinidad? The people train relentlessly for the whole lives to be there, and they deserve a chance to compete based on their performance period. Anything else is a total sham. Why even bother. We are sorry honey, we know you put 10 years of your life into to this and you are better than so and so, but her country will feel left out if she cant compete. We know you are the better athlete but you have to sit this one out. Are you kidding me? You guys are ok with that?

Do you hire the fifth best applicate for a position at your office because they probably don't get as many job offers as the best one? Fuck me Im going to blow blood vessel.
 
reverend1 said:
Thats bullshit too. You are going to deny a superior competitor a chance at a metal in order to make it fair to Trinidad? The people train relentlessly for the whole lives to be there, and they deserve a chance to compete based on their performance period. Anything else is a total sham. Why even bother. We are sorry honey, we know you put 10 years of your life into to this and you are better than so and so, but her country will feel left out if she cant compete. We know you are the better athlete but you have to sit this one out. Are you kidding me? You guys are ok with that?

Do you hire the fifth best applicate for a position at your office because they probably don't get as many job offers as the best one? Fuck me Im going to blow blood vessel.
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I'm forgetting how we're arriving at who the best is. Would the best be measured by record and then the amount of points they score or the least points allowed or a differential of the two? Do they have to win a conference championship to be the best? What happens when upsets occur? Does that mean that people who handicap games for a living couldn't actually figure out who the best team was?

Here's another interesting one...what about a team that's dominant all year but loses its quarterback to a runaway case of head lice before the bowl game...should that team be re-evaluated and set aside in favor of another team?
 
I am going to exit the conversation on this particular point. I stated my opinion. Terry and others have stated theirs. it's alright if we disagree. tough issue.
 
cuffdc said:
I'm forgetting how we're arriving at who the best is. Would the best be measured by record and then the amount of points they score or the least points allowed or a differential of the two? Do they have to win a conference championship to be the best? What happens when upsets occur? Does that mean that people who handicap games for a living couldn't actually figure out who the best team was?

Here's another interesting one...what about a team that's dominant all year but loses its quarterback to a runaway case of head lice before the bowl game...should that team be re-evaluated and set aside in favor of another team?
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I think all of those factors are important. People who handicap games for a living are the some of the best to determine who the better teams are. They look at a game purely from a financial perspective and that removes emotion or sentimentality from decision making.


Runaway lice is a huge issue plaguing college football. Its unfortunate that so many athletes put themselves in a position to contract that condition, but kids will never learn. However if this does happen you cant punish the whole team if their play git them to the big dance them let them play. Football is a team sport after all.
 
reverend1 said:
I think all of those factors are important. People who handicap games for a living are the some of the best to determine who the better teams are. They look at a game purely from a financial perspective and that removes emotion or sentimentality from decision making.


Runaway lice is a huge issue plaguing college football. Its unfortunate that so many athletes put themselves in a position to contract that condition, but kids will never learn. However if this does happen you cant punish the whole team if their play git them to the big dance them let them play. Football is a team sport after all.
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Yeah, I'm just wondering. I tend to like the ranking system -- as the season goes on. Early in the season it's a complete guessing game (ex: Michigan State for instance). Handicappers are good -- they don't stay in the game long if they aren't -- so I'm wondering have you seen any odds on Oregon v. Bama as Nat'l Champ game (odds of it happening and hypothetical line if it were to happen)?

I tend to think that defense trumps offense, so my money would be on Alabama...but you can tell from my track record last time I made predictions that my crystal ball is not so crystal clear.
 
cuffdc said:
Yeah, I'm just wondering. I tend to like the ranking system -- as the season goes on. Early in the season it's a complete guessing game (ex: Michigan State for instance). Handicappers are good -- they don't stay in the game long if they aren't -- so I'm wondering have you seen any odds on Oregon v. Bama as Nat'l Champ game (odds of it happening and hypothetical line if it were to happen)?

I tend to think that defense trumps offense, so my money would be on Alabama...but you can tell from my track record last time I made predictions that my crystal ball is not so crystal clear.
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Early hypothetical line on that game is Alabama -18. Oregon is not even close to being able to compete with that team. They have no defense at all. They are all offense, a offense that doesn't do well against a decent defense much less a good one. The total amount of points scored in their last game was 107. That's insane, it's just a track meet. I have no respect for Oregon at all.
 
Already today hapless Syracuse beat up on 9th ranked Louisville, and Louisiana-Lafayette is about five minutes away from pulling a much more impressive upset of Florida.

What's going on in this world?
 
Looks like 'Bama is going to have all they can handle with A&M today....

EDIT - make that more than they can handle. A&M is crewing up that defense...

EDIT#2 - Wow. A&M just pinned 20 points on 'Bama in one quarter!
 
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Denverdave said:
Looks like 'Bama is going to have all they can handle with A&M today....

EDIT - make that more than they can handle. A&M is crewing up that defense...

EDIT#2 - Wow. A&M just pinned 20 points on 'Bama in one quarter!
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World turned upside down. But it's still early.
 
Lot's of crazy stuff in college football this week for sure.

My bold prediction............... sort of.............. A&M doesnt score a single point in the second half. I think Alabama wins.
 
Johnny N. said:
Lot's of crazy stuff in college football this week for sure.

My bold prediction............... sort of.............. A&M doesnt score a single point in the second half. I think Alabama wins.
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Well almost. 'Bama did tighten the defense up - but not enough. K-state - Oregon title game maybe...
 
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