Baseball 2018

well at least the Astros are out. I really hope the Brewers can win and then go on to beat the SAX but if it comes down to Dodgers and SAX then I'm pulling for the Baston Red SAX
 
335clone said:
Yeah, well they were ranked in the 20's for both the 2012 and 2014 seasons, and the reason they were ranked 4th in 2010 were Posey and Bumgarner.

I'm not disputing that the Giants need to bring in more youth. Selling off the stars that packed the seats for a decade might not be a great marketing plan though. Who wants to be Miami west?
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Ranked 4th in 2010 because of Posey and Bumgarner is a pretty good place to be. The minors have changed since then and rankings have gotten even tougher. Organizations are better top to bottom. The Giants seem to know what to do with their young players once they get them to the MLB level, but they don't have enough players to replace the players who are leaving.

If you don't tear down, or do it half assed, the Giants will be the Mets for the next five years, without the ownership issues. So yeah, the team is making money, but who wants to watch that? If you do a full rebuild and market it right, you can have a few of years of Padresdom and then be right back in it while keeping 80% of the fanbase coming to the games.
 
Every franchise builds it's team around windows of opportunity. The CBA has changed over time, and part of that is increased player mobility after initial team control. This means any 'window' you're managing is limited to the length of team control over certain players.

That's why system depth is important - teams actually can't "just buy" upper-tier talent at needed positions. They can part of the time, less than their former ability to do so. It's much more like the NBA now - players don't just look at contract value.

Ownership has also changed. It's a billionaire's game now. The biggest impediment to 'overspending' is that if you have all your money tied up, you don't have the room to attract a generational player during their free agency (Mike Trout). Look at the Angels - they thought with Trout and Pujols that they'd dominate for a long time. But no, Albert faded, and now they don't attract FA's. Mike Trout is considered to be leaving the Angels not for more money, but because he might want a chance to play in the post season while he's still at the top of his career.

Every franchise is working their asses off to build organizational depth. Every. Single. One.

Essentially, these days MLB teams have to hope they get 2-4 stars playing simultaneously while under team control, and then your window opens. Then they spend on FA's.

The Cardinals are a great example of this - not an exception. They had good drafts, and then augmented with key FA's. Saying the Cardinals avoid buying talent is very inaccurate.
 
So, I guess there's some sort of narrative of "those big market teams and we don't stand a chance?"

lulz @ 1988.
 
Help!I'maRock! said:
Ranked 4th in 2010 because of Posey and Bumgarner is a pretty good place to be. The minors have changed since then and rankings have gotten even tougher. Organizations are better top to bottom. The Giants seem to know what to do with their young players once they get them to the MLB level, but they don't have enough players to replace the players who are leaving.

If you don't tear down, or do it half assed, the Giants will be the Mets for the next five years, without the ownership issues. So yeah, the team is making money, but who wants to watch that? If you do a full rebuild and market it right, you can have a few of years of Padresdom and then be right back in it while keeping 80% of the fanbase coming to the games.
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With Bobby Evans gone, I have the feeling that is what will likely occur. 2019 will probably be Bochy's last season at the helm, then who knows what will happen. They actually have some good quality youngsters on the roster, and could trade for a starter or 2. Not really worried defensively, but I can see some changes coming with an offensive priority. I don't see Pence coming back, and I can see Panik on the block since we have some infield prospects. The fans will still show up. They did the last 2 years.
 
DdBob said:
well at least the Astros are out. I really hope the Brewers can win and then go on to beat the SAX but if it comes down to Dodgers and SAX then I'm pulling for the Baston Red SAX
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Dodger dog from last year leave a bad taste in your mouth?

I support your lack of support for the bums.
 
I don't fear the Dodgers, but I do think the Brewers could beat us.

Reading the post-series interviews, Jesus the Astros are a bunch of entitled tools.
 
Danhedonia said:
Every franchise builds it's team around windows of opportunity. The CBA has changed over time, and part of that is increased player mobility after initial team control. This means any 'window' you're managing is limited to the length of team control over certain players.

That's why system depth is important - teams actually can't "just buy" upper-tier talent at needed positions. They can part of the time, less than their former ability to do so. It's much more like the NBA now - players don't just look at contract value.

Ownership has also changed. It's a billionaire's game now. The biggest impediment to 'overspending' is that if you have all your money tied up, you don't have the room to attract a generational player during their free agency (Mike Trout). Look at the Angels - they thought with Trout and Pujols that they'd dominate for a long time. But no, Albert faded, and now they don't attract FA's. Mike Trout is considered to be leaving the Angels not for more money, but because he might want a chance to play in the post season while he's still at the top of his career.

Every franchise is working their asses off to build organizational depth. Every. Single. One.

Essentially, these days MLB teams have to hope they get 2-4 stars playing simultaneously while under team control, and then your window opens. Then they spend on FA's.

The Cardinals are a great example of this - not an exception. They had good drafts, and then augmented with key FA's. Saying the Cardinals avoid buying talent is very inaccurate.
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Every organization except the Mets.
 
Baseball 2018 is dead to me.
Oh, the agony.
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Is it hot stove time yet?
 
I'd root for the Brewers if that asshat Braun didn't exist. Guess I'll try to suppress my vomit as I... want the Dodgers to win it all... *urp*

DISCLAIMER: Teh previous statement is due to wanting Utley to get another ring, helping his HoF chances even if he's not even on the postseason roster... and I'm not going to root for any fucking AL team)
 
FenderPusher said:
I'd root for the Brewers if that asshat Braun didn't exist. Guess I'll try to suppress my vomit as I... want the Dodgers to win it all... *urp*

DISCLAIMER: Teh previous statement is due to wanting Utley to get another ring, helping his HoF chances even if he's not even on the postseason roster... and I'm not going to root for any fucking AL team)
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#UtleyYouButtley
 
"Every organization except the Mets."

It really is weird when an industry is so closed, so small, and so incredibly public, that some organizations seem to be run by idiots, resulting in a dismal culture, and quite predictably have it show up in the product.

But enough about Gibson, let's get back to baseball.
 
Danhedonia said:
"Every organization except the Mets."

It really is weird when an industry is so closed, so small, and so incredibly public, that some organizations seem to be run by idiots, resulting in a dismal culture, and quite predictably have it show up in the product.

But enough about Gibson, let's get back to baseball.
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It’s even worse than Gibson, because when an MLB franchise goes bad, it affects revenue sharing. The Mets have the opportunity to be the second or third grossing franchise. But ownership sucks due and MLB turns a blind eye when they’ve intervened over less with other franchises (see: Dodgers).

Honestly, there are so many great things about leaving the Mets behind.
 
I can't imagine what it would be like to stop rooting for a team. That's antithetical to Boston sports culture, and you just don't open yourself to that possibility. Even when the Patriots were in their darkest decades, and football (to be polite) was NOT the all-important sport it apparently was elsewhere, you still rooted for the Pats.

Feels strange even rooting for the Isotopes. If I go to a game, I feel like I'm at a Braves/Mariners game or something. "Hey, that's interesting, may the best team win."

Whereas I'm sure I could be manipulated into swinging my cane around in a parking lot brawl involving the Lowell Spinners and whatever gang of idiots comprises a Yankees single A affiliate.

Boston fanbases are tribal; we have photos of our great great grandfathers trying out for the Red Sox before going off to World War I. Your earliest memories include fan stuff, like Bruins pajamas or your first Fenway game (HUGE issues if done without family consensus on who the host party is) or beating the crap out of other kids when you play pond hockey because "someone has to be the Canadiens" and it ain't gonna be you.

The culture is way deep, and absolutely pathological. And you learn to love that.

Anyhow, this is my way of trying to explain my really horrible thoughts about Craig Kimbrel.
 
Go SAX! Kick the living shit out of LA....BEAT LA. In fact don'
t just beat LA...HUMILIATE LA...:mad:
 
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