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reverend1 said:
In the doc Felder is mad that he didn't get to sing some songs. Frey says that they had him sing a demo but Henley's vocals were better so they went that route. Frey also states the reason he sang less and less and time went on was because Henley's vocals were better. Felder was angry about that fact the wouldn't let him sing lead and became withdrawn and combative. He was upset about what others in the band were being paid and it all came to a head at a congressional fundraiser. After which he a Frey almost came to blows on stage. After which he was fired.
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I liked when Henley said having Felder sing Victim of Love made about as much sense as Henley playing the solo on Hotel California.
 
reverend1 said:
It's Henley and Frey's band, the three you mentioned are employees. It's none of their business what the owners of the business pay themselves. If they weren't happy with their pay they were welcome to leave. It's not like those guy weren't making a lot of money as well.
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This is incorrect. At the time of Felder's firing, The Eagles were a corporation jointly and equally owned by Felder, Henley, and Frey. At the time of the reunion, the two of them got together with Irving Azoff and decided to pay themselves each 2/7 and the remaining 3 guys 1/7, thus cutting Felder out of what he had previously been getting as an equal corporation owner. Felder kept after Azoff for some explanation and resolution, but Azoff kept blocking him and putting him off. Finally they decided to fire Felder a short time after Felder, within his legal right as a member of the corporation, called for a complete accounting of all band expenses and distributions. At the time of his firing, they sent Felder a check of an amount determined by them, without any input from Felder or negotiation, to buy out his share of the corporation. Felder refused, sent the check back, and filed suit.
 
reverend1 said:
It's Henley and Frey's band, the three you mentioned are employees. It's none of their business what the owners of the business pay themselves. If they weren't happy with their pay they were welcome to leave. It's not like those guy weren't making a lot of money as well.
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And Felder did and I had no problem with that, but they were actually band members before that. The change in financial arrangement was following the MASSSIVE success of the reunion and the financial windfall that accompanied it. I don't think Walsh would have agreed to it today as he did back then since he was just starting his recovery and even a decade into it felt he owed the Eagles a lot for keeping him alive. Joe, however, wouldn't bother bringing it up as that's not the type of guy person he is (at least not publicly). Frey and Henley are those type of guys that air dirty laundry and attack people that were hugely instrumental to their success.

i get the business aspect of it, but the artistic collaboration is more important for me. Their Eden album isn't particularly good. It's not awful, but it can't hang with the rest of their catalog. Felder was absent and it's just as likely as not that his input would have brought in other and elevated the recorded material. Yes, it's speculation, but the conflict in the courts and the doc is all he said he said. The only definite is that there was a change in the business plan that was basically forced on Felder, presented as take it or leave it with pleasure by Frey who was and is still holding a 30 plus year old grudge. I love their music and appreciate the talents of all of the guys in the band, but I can't imagine working with, let alone FOR, someone like Frey and Henley. As such me respect for Joe and Timothy is huge.
 
Frank Prince said:
This is incorrect. At the time of Felder's firing, The Eagles were a corporation jointly and equally owned by Felder, Henley, and Frey. At the time of the reunion, the two of them got together with Irving Azoff and decided to pay themselves each 2/7 and the remaining 3 guys 1/7, thus cutting Felder out of what he had previously been getting as an equal corporation owner. Felder kept after Azoff for some explanation and resolution, but Azoff kept blocking him and putting him off. Finally they decided to fire Felder a short time after Felder, within his legal right as a member of the corporation, called for a complete accounting of all band expenses and distributions. At the time of his firing, they sent Felder a check of an amount determined by them, without any input from Felder or negotiation, to buy out his share of the corporation. Felder refused, sent the check back, and filed suit.
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Wow I didn't know this...no wonder he sued and left. Fuck those guys!
 
Frank Prince said:
This is incorrect. At the time of Felder's firing, The Eagles were a corporation jointly and equally owned by Felder, Henley, and Frey. At the time of the reunion, the two of them got together with Irving Azoff and decided to pay themselves each 2/7 and the remaining 3 guys 1/7, thus cutting Felder out of what he had previously been getting as an equal corporation owner. Felder kept after Azoff for some explanation and resolution, but Azoff kept blocking him and putting him off. Finally they decided to fire Felder a short time after Felder, within his legal right as a member of the corporation, called for a complete accounting of all band expenses and distributions. At the time of his firing, they sent Felder a check of an amount determined by them, without any input from Felder or negotiation, to buy out his share of the corporation. Felder refused, sent the check back, and filed suit.
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These types of disagreements are common. You can just as easily fire a co-owner, no big deal. He got a check. I'm not sure what the problem is here.
 
reverend1 said:
These types of disagreements are common. You can just as easily fire a co-owner, no big deal. He got a check. I'm not sure what the problem is here.
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Total douche move from a couple of narcissistic cats who wouldn't have gotten where they were without the third guy.

If you think I'm wrong, then just try to visualize what a huge hit Hotel California would have been with those lyrics set to a country rock tune like Peaceful Easy Feeling or Take It Easy, lol. Felder put that whole thing together before the lyrics were written. Same with Victim of Love.

If you watch the documentary, Frey totally downplays Felder's contributions.
 
reverend1 said:
These types of disagreements are common. You can just as easily fire a co-owner, no big deal. He got a check. I'm not sure what the problem is here.
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He got "a check". It sounds like the problem is that the number on the check is less than the value of his share of the band, or, at the very least, the check was not accompanied with the paperwork describing how the amount of the check was calculated. The only partnership I'm in is my marriage--if that was dissolved, I wouldn't just take a check from my wife and walk. I'd like to see the assets in a column, divided by two.
 
Dogsinotpalc said:
And Felder did and I had no problem with that, but they were actually band members before that. The change in financial arrangement was following the MASSSIVE success of the reunion and the financial windfall that accompanied it. I don't think Walsh would have agreed to it today as he did back then since he was just starting his recovery and even a decade into it felt he owed the Eagles a lot for keeping him alive. Joe, however, wouldn't bother bringing it up as that's not the type of guy person he is (at least not publicly). Frey and Henley are those type of guys that air dirty laundry and attack people that were hugely instrumental to their success.

i get the business aspect of it, but the artistic collaboration is more important for me. Their Eden album isn't particularly good. It's not awful, but it can't hang with the rest of their catalog. Felder was absent and it's just as likely as not that his input would have brought in other and elevated the recorded material. Yes, it's speculation, but the conflict in the courts and the doc is all he said he said. The only definite is that there was a change in the business plan that was basically forced on Felder, presented as take it or leave it with pleasure by Frey who was and is still holding a 30 plus year old grudge. I love their music and appreciate the talents of all of the guys in the band, but I can't imagine working with, let alone FOR, someone like Frey and Henley. As such me respect for Joe and Timothy is huge.
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You might be interested to know that The Greatest hits album was their best selling album, and is tied with Thriller as the best selling album in the United States. Felder played on one song on that disc. So saying he was instrumental in their success is a stretch at best. He was only with the group for two of their original albums.

I wonder why if those two guys are so awful way Schimdt and Walsh seem completely content and Felder is the only with an axe to grind. We will never know what really happened, but Felder just comes off as one of those guys that is never happy and always has something to bitch about. I've seen them once with him and twice without him and I didn't think they were missing a thing without him.
 
Chicken Man said:
He got "a check". It sounds like the problem is that the number on the check is less than the value of his share of the band, or, at the very least, the check was not accompanied with the paperwork describing how the amount of the check was calculated. The only partnership I'm in is my marriage--if that was dissolved, I wouldn't just take a check from my wife and walk. I'd like to see the assets in a column, divided by two.
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They settled out of court. So he approved the amount before dropping his suit.
 
reverend1 said:
You might be interested to know that The Greatest hits album was their best selling album, and is tied with Thriller as the best selling album in the United States. Felder played on one song on that disc. So saying he was instrumental in their success is a stretch at best. He was only with the group for two of their original albums.

I wonder why if those two guys are so awful way Schimdt and Walsh seem completely content and Felder is the only with an axe to grind. We will never know what really happened, but Felder just comes off as one of those guys that is never happy and always has something to bitch about. I've seen them once with him and twice without him and I didn't think they were missing a thing without him.
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This is incorrect.

Felder played on "Already Gone" and "Good Day in Hell" from On The Border, and was fully involved in the studio albums One Of These Nights, Hotel California, and The Long Run. He was also fully involved in the Hell Freezes Over album after the hiatus.

Felder played on 4 out of 10 of the tracks on the Greatest Hits album. When you see them without him a studio player copies the parts he wrote.
 
Frank Prince said:
This is incorrect.

Felder played on "Already Gone" and "Good Day in Hell" from On The Border, and was fully involved in the studio albums One Of These Nights, Hotel California, and The Long Run. He was also fully involved in the Hell Freezes Over album after the hiatus.

Felder played on 4 out of 10 of the tracks on the Greatest Hits album. When you see them without him a studio player copies the parts he wrote.
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Ok, but he was a studio musician so who cares? That doesn't give him any claim of ownership. If I hire an engineer to help me with a product design, he does his job, I pay him, end of story. He doesn't own any right to my product because I contracted him to do a specific job.
 
reverend1 said:
They settled out of court. So he approved the amount before dropping his suit.
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(don't know how to multi-quote) Feep says a few posts above this that the check was written without any input from Felder or his team. Not sure which is true, and it's entirely possible that BOTH statements were true, at different points in time.
 
reverend1 said:
Ok, but he was a studio musician so who cares? That doesn't give him any claim of ownership. If I hire an engineer to help me with a product design, he does his job, I pay him, end of story. He doesn't own any right to my product because I contracted him to do a specific job.
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Felder was an equal member of the originally established corporation. After he did the session work for On The Border he was asked to become a full and equal member of the band and corporation He also owns writing credit on several of their hits.

Your example doesn't really relate to the situation at all.
 
Chicken Man said:
(don't know how to multi-quote) Feep says a few posts above this that the check was written without any input from Felder or his team. Not sure which is true, and it's entirely possible that BOTH statements were true, at different points in time.
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Correct, then he sent it back, and sued. The lawsuit was settled out of court. Meaning both sides agreed to a settlement amount.
 
Frank Prince said:
Felder was an equal member of the originally established corporation. After he did the session work for On The Border he was asked to become a full and equal member of the band and corporation He also owns writing credit on several of their hits.

Your example doesn't really relate to the situation at all.
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I would agree with you about his work after he was a full member, unless his contract as a full member stated he retained a portion of ownership of his previous contracted work. It may have, there is no way to know.
 
Chicken Man said:
(don't know how to multi-quote) Feep says a few posts above this that the check was written without any input from Felder or his team. Not sure which is true, and it's entirely possible that BOTH statements were true, at different points in time.
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Frey, Henley, and Azoff informed Felder he was fired, and sent him a check to try to buy out his shares. Felder did not negotiate anything, because he was fired with no warning. Felder then sued for breach of contract, etc, etc, a court case was started, and then dismissed when both parties settled out of court for undisclosed terms. So yeah, Felder apparently agreed to some amount, and maybe kept his shares and maybe not, but that is way different from some people offering to buy you out for an amount they determined after firing you.
 
reverend1 said:
I would agree with you about his work after he was a full member, unless his contract as a full member stated he retained a portion of ownership of his previous contracted work. It may have, there is no way to know.
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The contract stated that he would receive full pay and compensation for only the works that he contributed to on the On The Border album, and then a full and equal share of everything else that came after.
 
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