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Welcome to America.
OMG Politics, I'm over it already.
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Welcome to America.
Chad
Slender Hobbit
While I didn't agree with going into Iraq, its hard to say what you would do if you were the president and were attacked like we were on 9/11 and given the intel he was given. Hindsight is 20/20.
Help!I'maRock!
Mediocringly Derivative
I'll answer because I posted the links.
Apparently.
Breitbart is the official mouthpieces of the Administration. If you really want to know who is influencing the President, it's the writers and denizens of Breitbart.
Absolutely. But that doesn't make it any less hilarious.
Apparently.
Breitbart is the official mouthpieces of the Administration. If you really want to know who is influencing the President, it's the writers and denizens of Breitbart.
Absolutely. But that doesn't make it any less hilarious.
Help!I'maRock!
Mediocringly Derivative
That's just giving him a pass. Everyone knew there were no WMDs there, and that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. It was a clear "finish the job" case from the beginning. As President, W shouldn't have fallen it. But we all knew Cheney was going to be the real president once elected anyway.
Chad
Slender Hobbit
Yeah, but that doesn't matter because of these gems:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...ity-ignoring-clinton-worlds-substantial-ties/
http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...trump-surveillance-fisa-investigation-russia/
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/03/05/mark-levin-breaks-trump-wiretapping-claims/
Don't forget to read the comments!
I skipped the stories and went right to the comments. Wow. That confirms my earlier statements. Someone launch the nukes its time to give the apes a shot at running things.
Flamencology
You don't deserve koa.
I was with you until the last sentence. Bush doesn't get a pass because Cheney. He was every bit as big a part of the problem.
Chad
Slender Hobbit
I'm not giving him a pass. I'm just saying its easy to sit back and criticize after the fact. When your trusted aides hand you intel from your top intel agencies, you need to trust it or you need to get new aides and revamp your intel agencies. After all, he dismissed the intel about Bin Laden and a possible attack and 9/11 happened. I never agreed with the invasion of Iraq, but I also was not the president when 9/11 happened.
sonik
Motor City Madman
Dogsinplastic
avuncular to no one
I remember this from when I was a youngin:
My mom's friend had a biological children (son and a deaf daughter), an adopted Vietnamese son (Tan, who had polio), adopted black son and daughter, and various fosters kids. They were one of first group of friends my sister and I had growing up. Black, Latin, and Asian friends all over the place. A bunch of my friends were Jewish, a bunch of others were Catholic (growing up the other forms of Christianity were outside my known realm of experience), and another bunch (like my immediate family) were not religious. We loved Sesame Street, Indians (Native Americans...so cool, especially bows and arrows), martial arts movies, ninjas and samurais, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, the Cosby Show (youch), and more. Our sports heroes were Yankees, Knicks, Giants, and Rangers, as well as Mets, Jets, Bills, Nets, Islanders, and Devils (to a much lesser extent
). We hated Nazis and the KKK and were afraid of Russians...a respectful mutual fear. We liked the music we liked and didn't care about the ethnicity of the artists, but we loved various genres that had a larger and specific ethnic make-up: reggae, r&b, blues, rap, latin...whatever. We were open to new experiences, like Indians (like from India...also cool, albeit differently) and rap which was new to everyone at the time. Homophobia was probably the only thing that really sunk its teeth into us..."perverts" and AIDS. We weren't taught that gay men weren't child molesters, they were unfortunately mixed into that larger pool of "perverts". And it took a couple of years for AIDS to stop being the gay plague...but that was national (not good, but not localized to Westchester county).Diversity was life, but we didn't think about it. We were all just friends hanging out and having a great time. Now our National Identity is being defined by racist shitheads that think it's all about white pride. They seem to brush aside that this nation was already "settled" and populated with its indigenous cultures...or earlier cultures that migrated from the south and north into what became the United States (but also includes Mexico and Canada).
I can't imagine the life they live and how they were raised in fear of difference and diversity. And I don't want to try to imagine it or understand it. They need to grow the fuck up and get over the fact that white western Europeans are going to be a minority in the not too distant future. If they weren't so ass-backwards in their thinking, they'd also know that they will not win a race/religion war in the long run. They are not the founding fathers fighting against the tyranny of an oppressive dictator (who was also crazy)...they are fighting against progress and evolution (albeit cultural). Many have tried to stop progress and they cannot. The Catholic church gave up that fight hundreds of years ago. Yes, they still want to spread the word of their take on god, but they no longer try to stymie or deny science.
These people are ignorant and/or prejudice asshats. They are afraid of brown people, gay people, non-god OR wrong-god fearing people, science, facts, etc. I think their biggest fears are that their daughters will sleep with brown men and their sons will sleep with any men. But let's make it about abortion, guns, bullshit morality (family values), terrorism (religion), denying America's greatness, reliving America's lameness, and more.
Fuck them and shit-tinted glasses.
Dogsinplastic
avuncular to no one
True, but I can't see Gore having started a war with Iraq after already putting forces on the ground in Afghanistan as retaliation for 9/11. It was under-reported at the time, but Dubya was pushing finishing the job in Iraq to various GOP folks when he was trying to win the nomination in 2000. Apparently it was okay with quite a few of the GOP folks at the time. 9/11 offered an excuse to try and make declaring war against Iraq legitimate. He and his people were shit, despite seeming less so in the light of the awfulness that is Trump/Bannon/Putin.
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Help!I'maRock!
Mediocringly Derivative
I agree, Bush doesn't get a pass because of Cheney. He should have pushed back more. Instead, he stood up there and gave the speeches he was told to give.
Lerxst
spaghetti and blankets
w/r/t GWB, I think people are having a hard time remembering the shitty President he was compared to the overall decent guy he seems to be, especially post-political career.
Granted, any administration that inherits a strong economy that was also a ticking time bomb or is the sitting president during the largest terrorist attack on American soil is in for an uphill battle...but when you look at the response to both of those events/issues, it was one catastrophic failure after another.
The GWB administration was also pretty hardline anti-LGBTQ rights & was a pretty dim period for human rights in this country. Enhanced interrogation tactics? Hurricane Katrina? Foreign policy was a dumpster fire. The admin that gave us Cheney, Rumsfield, & Carl Rove style tactics like push polling and swift boats? His administration is also credited as being one of the more aggressive w/r/t pushing the power of the Admin branch. IIRC, GWB is also ranked in the bottom third of successful Presidencies in many scholarly analyses.
Granted, any administration that inherits a strong economy that was also a ticking time bomb or is the sitting president during the largest terrorist attack on American soil is in for an uphill battle...but when you look at the response to both of those events/issues, it was one catastrophic failure after another.
The GWB administration was also pretty hardline anti-LGBTQ rights & was a pretty dim period for human rights in this country. Enhanced interrogation tactics? Hurricane Katrina? Foreign policy was a dumpster fire. The admin that gave us Cheney, Rumsfield, & Carl Rove style tactics like push polling and swift boats? His administration is also credited as being one of the more aggressive w/r/t pushing the power of the Admin branch. IIRC, GWB is also ranked in the bottom third of successful Presidencies in many scholarly analyses.
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Lerxst
spaghetti and blankets
Given the dates in that piece, this happened during the Obama Administration (which actually attempted to reduce the use of private run prisons at the Federal level). Either way, this is another aspect of the debate over private for-profit prison corporations vs state & federal run facilities. Deconstructing the administrative state, IOW decreased oversight, along with increasing reliance on private prisons sounds like a guaranteed recipe for more abuse.
I don't have much experience or knowledge of the corrections system but it sure seems like a bad idea to combine a profit motive with the housing & supposed rehabilitation of inmates. I remember my boss at a previous job attended a corrections facilities tradeshow years ago that was targeted at private prison contractors and it was pretty frightening how all the promotional material he brought back was all geared towards increasing operating profit margins.
OGG
Master of the Meh
We shall cross swords at dawn!
sonik
Motor City Madman
Devil is Dill
Doubleplusgood
Gary Blanchard
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Okay, I went back three pages and didn't see this: 
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