OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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Theodore said:
Thanks, Obama.

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If he flew back to US ASAP, you'd be whinging about him using the tragedy for his own purposes, rather than doing his job......

Where was your outrage when Turkey suffered the terrorist attack last week? Oh, that's right, the dead didn't include any Americans.
 
LeftyTom said:
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I don't know what that means. If I still need to explain it, I was posting it because it was stupid. Nobody has said "Thanks, Obama" to blame him for stupid stuff in years. People say that to point out how stupid it is to blame him for shit like that.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
Found this interesting piece on a friend's feed, who says it is motivating him to reconsider his support for Hillary. Very interesting, coming from Republican Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, who served as Chief of Staff for Colin Powell under the GWB administration.

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Well, I wasn't sure at first if I'd watch that whole clip, but I am so glad that I did.

That was an excellent interview. This is a guy who gets it. A lifelong Republican who actually recognizes and understands hoe far his party has separated itself from reality, and isn't afraid to say so. A guy that accepts progress as natural and inevitable and chooses to embrace it rather than rally against it in futility with rhetoric as old as the Republic itself.

He was spot on about W. and Rice, and Chenney, and Rumsfeld, and even his buddy Powell. He very clearly established for the record the the Bush II Presidency was in actuality, a Dick Chenney Presidency that was both oppressive and reckless.

Kudos.
 
I enjoyed the vid.

I feel it's impossible that any self-described Republican have any solid grasp on economics - this is a guy who presumably supported Reagan - so some of his statements were 'WTF?'. But most were very accurate.

I don't really buy the 'Trojan horse' theory of Trump, though, as much as I'd love that. I think that deep anti-authoritarian paranoia about government, the media, etc., is deeply ingrained into the American psyche. The nation needs some pills and therapy.
 
Flamencology said:
I enjoyed the vid.

I feel it's impossible that any self-described Republican have any solid grasp on economics - this is a guy who presumably supported Reagan - so some of his statements were 'WTF?'. But most were very accurate.

I don't really buy the 'Trojan horse' theory of Trump, though, as much as I'd love that. I think that deep anti-authoritarian paranoia about government, the media, etc., is deeply ingrained into the American psyche. The nation needs some pills and therapy.
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Whether it is Trojan horse or not, it, any other GOP nominee that seems likely, will need to be defeated. I was more interested in the Bernie vs. Hillary stuff, and him calling Trump out on the racism, and the discussion of the rule of law and the dangerousness of the current GOP frontrunners.
 
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sunvalleylaw said:
Whether it is Trojan horse or not, it, or any other GOP nominee that seems likely, will need to be defeated. I was more interested in the Bernie vs. Hillary stuff, and him calling Trump out on the racism, and the discussion of the rule of law and the dangerousness of the current GOP frontrunners.
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Those observations seem to me incredibly obvious to any well-informed person, and have furthermore been expressed ad infinitem over the past few months by the legit political journalists who don't appear on network or cable television.
 
Flamencology said:
Those observations seem to me incredibly obvious to any well-informed person, and have furthermore been expressed ad infinitem over the past few months by the legit political journalists who don't appear on network or cable television.
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That's fine. Just thought it was a nice presentation of those things from an unusual source and worth sharing.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
That's fine. Just thought it was a nice presentation of those things from an unusual source and worth sharing.
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Yeah, it's sad that that kind of capitulation is rare.

It's easy to place the diagnosis of psychosis purely on Trump or Cruz, but that's simply... Either dishonesty or delusion.
 
f'ing FANTASTIC vid. and absolutely SPOT ON!! i love what he says about the presidentcy. something i keep telling everyone around me. maybe if i say it enough times, people will finally listen. all this shit these candidates are saying they are GOING TO DO.....is BULLSHIT!!!!! the president is NOT the legislative branch. the president has a WHOLE LOT LESS power than most americans realize. EVERYTHING goes thru congress. and that is a good thing. it keeps a dictator from happening.

and that vid was absolutely right (as was the donald) when they say that the shit that is going on in the mid east is the dubya's administration's FAULT!!!
and fault IS the right word.

i would LOVE to force every voter in this country to watch that interview before they are allowed to vote.
 
Flamencology said:
Yeah, it's sad that that kind of capitulation is rare.
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You should have seen my capitulation I had drafted in the rest of that post, referring to my early fiscal and economic idealism that was tempered by life and experience. But that was going to be all about me and not the issues. So I dropped it. Let's just say I voted wrong in 1980 in my first election as a brand new 18 year old.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
You should have seen my capitulation I had drafted in the rest of that post, referring to my early fiscal and economic idealism that was tempered by life and experience. But that was going to be all about me and not the issues. So I dropped it. Let's just say I voted wrong in 1980 in my first election as a brand new 18 year old.
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it wasn't my first vote, but yea.....me too.
however, re-electing Carter was not going to go well either. he was a super nice guy and a great negotiator, but pretty ineffective as president.
 
mongooz said:
it wasn't my first vote, but yea.....me too.
however, re-electing Carter was not going to go well either. he was a super nice guy and a great negotiator, but pretty ineffective as president.
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Well, it took me a while to figure out I was wrong. I was pretty much Alex P. Keaton, without the blazer and tie, and on a skateboard listening to punk music, through most of the 80's. :facepalm:


EDIT: AND, I made it about me. Sheesh. Well, I still like punk. Wasn't wrong about that. Back to the issues. Punkers for Bernie!
 
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mongooz said:
it wasn't my first vote, but yea.....me too.
however, re-electing Carter was not going to go well either. he was a super nice guy and a great negotiator, but pretty ineffective as president.
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'Crisis of Confidence'; probably the greatest speech by an American president since... IDK, the Kennedy inaugural. Except wiser and more practical.

Alas, his problem was that he couldn't sell it. He wasn't a professional actor.

If he could've, there'd have been zero need to invade Iraq.
 
Flamencology said:
'Crisis of Confidence'; probably the greatest speech by an American president since... IDK, the Kennedy inaugural. Except wiser and more practical.

Alas, his problem was that he couldn't sell it. He wasn't a professional actor.

If he could've, there'd have been zero need to invade Iraq.
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Carter's ability to point out Amerca's shortfalls without actually having a solution all but sealed the election for Reagan. He was one of those "I've identified the problem", but I have no idea how to fix it Presidents and the American public responded by voting for a leader (actor or not). Don't get me wrong, Carter did many great things with the presidency, but actually being president wasn't one of them.

So the zero need to invade Iraq; is that because when Iran got done wiping the floor with Carter, we would have had zero influence in the region and Israel would have been wiped off the map? Or is there some perfect solution For the Middle East that Carter was working on, but the pesky American voters got in the way?
 
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