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"The purchaser’s name and certain personal descriptive data are immediately entered into a computer system at the dealer location or while the dealer remains on the telephone with the FTC. The design of this program eliminates traditional waiting periods by electronically accessing criminal records and "wanted" databases at the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) and the Virginia Criminal Records Exchange (CCRE) and provides an instantaneous approval or delay determination to the firearms dealer concerning the firearms sale or transfer."


http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_VFTP.shtm

At a gun store, you are correct. Not at a gun show like they have at the giant Expo Center down the street from me. And registered dealers at guns shows have to, but only registered dealers.

Did you happen to read the line "any person who sells firearms at a licensed dealership". That is what this statue applies too not gun shows.
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The global numbers wholly disprove this notion. Every country that has stricter guns laws across the board has not marginally less but a huge amount less OR out NONE of the gun death issues we have. You don't have to like the numbers, but they are clean data, not from polls or extrapolated from small samples of the population. These are real numbers based on real activity or inactivity related to gun violence. We're not just the world leader in violent gun deaths (regardless of whether other causes of violent are higher) we are so far ahead that our numbers are higher than most of all of the other countries combined...barring (I assume) those at war which is a completely different situation.

Unrelated to your post, I still can't believe we didn't do a damned thing after 20 kids were killed.

Here's how I stand unadulterated:

No guns.

But if they are to be allowed, then:

Every seller, buyer, and owner needs to be registered, including every gun they own and all of the ammo they buy and/or own. Full background checks on every and any gun buyer prior to full psychiatric evaluation of each potential owner with re-evaluation every five years. I don't care how long it takes, as long as it's thorough. NO assault style weapons for anyone other than military and law enforcement personnel and only for use on the job. Limit the number of guns per person to something like...one. I don't care if it's a rifle or a handgun, pick your poison.

Had to get that shit off my chest. And I'll add that I wish the New Guns day thread would disappear, but that is not a formal complaint or request. But what I'll do is not talk about it again and let it go.

You're all a bunch of swell folks. I appreciate our ability to agree to disagree.

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You don't have to like the numbers either. The fact of the matter is, the number of violent crimes in the US (including homicides) has been dropping, and continues to drop. http://www.brennancenter.org/blog/americas-faulty-perception-crime-rates

I do appreciate that you take a strong stance and state what you want. I don't agree with you, but at least you're up front about it.
 
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You don't have to like the numbers either. The fact of the matter is, the number of violent crimes in the US (including homicides) has been dropping, and continues to drop. http://www.brennancenter.org/blog/americas-faulty-perception-crime-rates

I do appreciate that you take a strong stance and state what you want. I don't agree with you, but at least you're up front about it.


I also don't buy your chart. No way that there are 90 fire arms per 100 people in the US. Even accounting for people with huge gun collections, there is no way there are 90 guns per 100 people.
 
I also don't buy your chart. No way that there are 90 fire arms per 100 people in the US. Even accounting for people with huge gun collections, there is no way there are 90 guns per 100 people.

It's true. There are arpx 300 million guns in the U.S. according to the congressional research service and atf.
 
Come on Jbird, it's the zombie apocalypse, the bullet manufacturers will be gone and there will only be a finite number of bullets. :grin:

Casting lead bullets isn't hard, and as everyone who watched the original Star Trek knows, you can make gunpowder from random shit you find on the ground.
 
Come on Jbird, it's the zombie apocalypse, the bullet manufacturers will be gone and there will only be a finite number of bullets. :grin:
People would still make fire arms, I think. Rifled single-shot that would use old-school ball and powder type cartridges. Except they'd be noisy...
 
People would still make fire arms, I think. Rifled single-shot that would use old-school ball and powder type cartridges. Except they'd be noisy...

And that attracts more zombies. Come on, I thought will all your Scandinavian metal you be gabbing the swords with me :grin:
 
I also don't buy your chart. No way that there are 90 fire arms per 100 people in the US. Even accounting for people with huge gun collections, there is no way there are 90 guns per 100 people.
The last estimate I saw was that there are ~300 million guns in the US and around 318 million people (Google).
 
Limiting law abiding citizens (aka ME) access to something isn't going to change criminal (or terrorist) behavior or methods.

Yes, forget those countless innocent lives lost from assault rifles, right? As long as I can still play with MY big boy toys, who cares? Sure, MY toys are completely useless, but they are FUN for ME to play with. Besides, who else is going to supply the streets with guns stolen from home?
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And isn't it always about ME? The GOP/Tea Party is known as the party of NO, but the reality of it is always about I, ME, MINE (thanks, George Harrison). I want MY country back. They're gonna' take all of MY guns away, right NRA? I want MY toy guns to play with. I want to make lots of money and fuck the minorities and poor, so don't tax ME. Oh, and fuck their need for health care because I get MINE through MY work. MY religion is the ONLY one in this here country, even if I rarely follow the teachings (Oh, that Jesus is the ultimate LIBERAL, ya' know). I want MY beliefs and values to be the law of the land, so if you don't like it, leave MY country. I want to pollute and shit on our surroundings without fear of the wicked EPA interrupting MY profits.
 
I also don't buy your chart. No way that there are 90 fire arms per 100 people in the US. Even accounting for people with huge gun collections, there is no way there are 90 guns per 100 people.

It makes sense if you think about it. I would think most gun owners are like guitar players, they own at least 3, so only 1/3 of the population would need to be gun owners. Some owners have way more than 3 so you could drop the 1/3 to 1/4 or less.

I would like to see how many individuals own guns. my brother has about 10 guns.
 
Yeah most people I know who own a gun have several. Plus in families it's a commonly inherited item.

From the same study I mentioned twice before, aprx 1/3 of U.S. households contain a firearm.
 
Yes, forget those countless innocent lives lost from assault rifles, right? As long as I can still play with MY big boy toys, who cares? Sure, MY toys are completely useless, but they are FUN for ME to play with. Besides, who else is going to supply the streets with guns stolen from home?

No, it's not. I care about every one of those people. I also understand that they were killed by murderers, and I am sick and tired of the problem being exacerbated by people clamoring for gun control, proven time and again to do nothing, and directing our resources towards meaningless feel-good legislation. There was a ban on "assault weapons" for 10 years already, it had no measurable impact on crime. In fact, you posted a pic of Columbine victims, and that happened DURING the ban, using low capacity magazines and ban compliant guns.

It's not about me, it's about my wife, my kids, my friends, and all of the innocent bystanders. It's about the fact that these atrocities happen in gun-free zones. It's about the fact that self-defense is a basic human right, and every time there's an atrocity people who are clearly uneducated on the subject and have no awareness of the current laws come screaming for someone to do something that's already been done, and it keeps us from ever having a productive discussion about tactics that might actually keep people safe.
 
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