Peen Simmons
Let’s Get Obtuse!
What we need is a very big wrench that we can throw into the gears of a very big data center. Or a very large guillotine.
Mojo Request I'm not trying to depress you, it's just that if you're still thinking of AI as "glorified Google search", then you're really not keeping up with this
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What we need is a very big wrench that we can throw into the gears of a very big data center. Or a very large guillotine.
Chicken Man
Kick Henry Jackassowski
I think it will be closer to industrialization than, say, iTunes.
Dudeman1967
blah, blah, blah...
Predictions are usually wrong or very wrong. This one is seriously oversold or a force that you won't be able to avoid. I'm impressed by the technology and if it improves at the current rate it will be unavoidable very soon.
I'm glad I'm retired. If not I would be thinking about a job shift to something implimenting AI.
When email was brand new I had a VP of R&D boss who said email was stupid and not going to last. He had his admin assistant print all his emails. He would hand write a reply then have it typed back into email. What an idiot. Also who promotes a proud Luddite to the head of technolgy development?
I'm glad I'm retired. If not I would be thinking about a job shift to something implimenting AI.
When email was brand new I had a VP of R&D boss who said email was stupid and not going to last. He had his admin assistant print all his emails. He would hand write a reply then have it typed back into email. What an idiot. Also who promotes a proud Luddite to the head of technolgy development?
Lerxst
spaghetti and blankets
I might be seeing the fallout from this current state of vibe coding first hand in the next few weeks.....I hope not. I also won't be surprised if the decision makers, far removed from the work, decide paying someone offshore 1/2 -1/3 what I make to let claude vibe code all day makes $ence.
Edit: I'm legitimately impressed with the improvements we've seen with the IDE integrated LLMs over of the past few months. We're still seeing that in most situations that deviate from public & private facing documentation (or relies on highly distributed documentation that is not obviously linked), an experienced dev is needed to get the project past the LLM's limits. But yeah, those limits are way different then they were just months ago.
Edit: I'm legitimately impressed with the improvements we've seen with the IDE integrated LLMs over of the past few months. We're still seeing that in most situations that deviate from public & private facing documentation (or relies on highly distributed documentation that is not obviously linked), an experienced dev is needed to get the project past the LLM's limits. But yeah, those limits are way different then they were just months ago.
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Knox in Box
Rustbelt refugee.
We had an asshole at work that I reprimanded for studying for his classes instead of actually doing the job he was paid for. Every night or late shift we had he would wait for me to leave and then set up an office space complete with laptop and binders full of materials, do his studies and leave 75% of the work to his colleagues and not even have the concept of hiding this distraction from work when something like the Military Police come through the guardhouse.
People complained, I asked him how long he thought this would go on and he got pissed off and said (sorta yelled) that he had another 2 semesters.
I put an end to it, he proceeded to attempt at any turn to make my workplace hell. A truest narcissist I ever met in person.
What was he learning? Website development
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I really shouldn't, but I sort of chuckle every time I see an ad for those AI, one click website development apps. And no, it's not him doing the apps. We have folks that are still friends with him.
People complained, I asked him how long he thought this would go on and he got pissed off and said (sorta yelled) that he had another 2 semesters.
I put an end to it, he proceeded to attempt at any turn to make my workplace hell. A truest narcissist I ever met in person.
What was he learning? Website development
.
I really shouldn't, but I sort of chuckle every time I see an ad for those AI, one click website development apps. And no, it's not him doing the apps. We have folks that are still friends with him.
shoeless
Riffin'
The advancements we've seen in AI over the last couple of years have been impressive. Considering this technology is still in its infancy, who knows where we'll be in another 5 - 10 years. One take is that it will put a lot of folks out of work, but another is that new things are created, it will require workers to implement them. Time will tell I suppose.
One of my primary concerns is how it will contribute to the dumbing-down of our youth. Being a geezer, I look back at my school research assignments as time spent in the library, pouring over texts and extracting relevant material. A side effect of that process was gaining tangential information on various subjects that did not directly apply to the research topic but added to one's general knowledge. When prompted correctly, AI is very good at providing focused answers without a lot of clutter. But sometimes, the clutter is the best part.
I don't have school aged children anymore, but I see reports of kids just regurgitating whatever ChatGPT tells them when doing an assignment. They're not really learning anything other than how to prompt the agent. But then, maybe that's a skill in itself.
One of my primary concerns is how it will contribute to the dumbing-down of our youth. Being a geezer, I look back at my school research assignments as time spent in the library, pouring over texts and extracting relevant material. A side effect of that process was gaining tangential information on various subjects that did not directly apply to the research topic but added to one's general knowledge. When prompted correctly, AI is very good at providing focused answers without a lot of clutter. But sometimes, the clutter is the best part.
I don't have school aged children anymore, but I see reports of kids just regurgitating whatever ChatGPT tells them when doing an assignment. They're not really learning anything other than how to prompt the agent. But then, maybe that's a skill in itself.
cuffdc
chicken n waffles
I hate to be the doom and gloomer here, but I think we're cooked. Just as in the job market, where AI is currently replacing entry level white collar positions, which means there's no path to middle and senior level positions (and no replacement for institutional memory once the elder generation retires), so to in the education arena where AI is replacing "entry level tasks," such as reading, writing, and arithmetic. You might say, "oh it's just like the calculator," but that's not true. The calculator didn't think for you. It crunched numbers, but you still had to know how to input the data. Many students are arriving at my college in a state I would call "functionally illiterate" for college level education. They (the "they" here meaning these students who arrive in such a state, not every student) cannot problem solve. They can't sustain attention spans to read short texts (let's say a ten page James Baldwin essay or short story) and while of course they can technically read the words on the page, the reading comprehension is abysmal. There will be some people who retain skills and know how to think beyond what already exists, but we will have a growing population that is dependent on the machines (and more importantly the techno-oligarchs who direct them). Worst case scenario is that the machines, rather logically, determine that the biggest drag on the planet is the human population and they set about to remedy that. Best case scenario is that capitalism falls and the machines discover the all the people on the planet can actually live moderately comfortable and resourced lives if only <.3% of the population weren't controlling all the resources and they set about to remedy that.The advancements we've seen in AI over the last couple of years have been impressive. Considering this technology is still in its infancy, who knows where we'll be in another 5 - 10 years. One take is that it will put a lot of folks out of work, but another is that new things are created, it will require workers to implement them. Time will tell I suppose.
One of my primary concerns is how it will contribute to the dumbing-down of our youth. Being a geezer, I look back at my school research assignments as time spent in the library, pouring over texts and extracting relevant material. A side effect of that process was gaining tangential information on various subjects that did not directly apply to the research topic but added to one's general knowledge. When prompted correctly, AI is very good at providing focused answers without a lot of clutter. But sometimes, the clutter is the best part.
I don't have school aged children anymore, but I see reports of kids just regurgitating whatever ChatGPT tells them when doing an assignment. They're not really learning anything other than how to prompt the agent. But then, maybe that's a skill in itself.
Now I'm really depressed heading into the weekend.
Punchy
Slacker Supreme
You know, that's one of the things I should be more thankful for. . . my mom read to me since before I was born, and we did the same to our kids, and they are both really good readers. Still spend way too much time staring at screens, but I can't really talk either as I'm either usually on youtube or minecraft in my spare time. Trying to get better about that.The advancements we've seen in AI over the last couple of years have been impressive. Considering this technology is still in its infancy, who knows where we'll be in another 5 - 10 years. One take is that it will put a lot of folks out of work, but another is that new things are created, it will require workers to implement them. Time will tell I suppose.
One of my primary concerns is how it will contribute to the dumbing-down of our youth. Being a geezer, I look back at my school research assignments as time spent in the library, pouring over texts and extracting relevant material. A side effect of that process was gaining tangential information on various subjects that did not directly apply to the research topic but added to one's general knowledge. When prompted correctly, AI is very good at providing focused answers without a lot of clutter. But sometimes, the clutter is the best part.
I don't have school aged children anymore, but I see reports of kids just regurgitating whatever ChatGPT tells them when doing an assignment. They're not really learning anything other than how to prompt the agent. But then, maybe that's a skill in itself.
I dunno about the "AI" thing. LLMs might be getting better but they still can't think. They can't create. They can just mash up pre-existing content that was
shoeless
Riffin'
I saw a story about this just recently, but was unable to easily locate it to post here (maybe I should have asked AI, LOL).
Anyway, the jist is that in the "old days" the SAT reading comprehension tests would present a ~1000 word text of a few paragraphs followed by several questions regarding the context of the text. The reader had to understand the material present to answer correctly. The SAT has been updated to now present a short ~50 word, few sentences of text with a single question about it. This is repeated several times. So basically, they have dumbed-down the test to get folks to score better. A sign of the times.
