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PunkKitty

The fates already f'ked me sideways
I'm seriously considering downsizing (by a lot) and moving to a condo in Chicago. I'm looking at spots near the lakefront where I have easy access to public transit and can walk to do most errands. I might be able to pay it off in full and just worry about taxes, HOA, insurance, etc. If I have to pay a mortgage, it would be a much smaller one than I have now. I could probably even sell the car and rent one when I need one. I could also easily take a taxi or Uber to get where I need to. I could likely take 3 basses, 2 electrics, and an acoustic, but that would be the most. All of my practice would have to be with a headphone amp. I'm not sure what I'm going to do yet, but I currently drive into the city several times a week. I could take public transit to most of those places.
 
If you’re driving into the city several times a week now, your plan makes sense.
Is there a savings on parking, too?

The car thing could work well, too. If you don’t need one for 90% of the time to get around, divesting yourself of the operating costs, insurance and depreciation is a solid move - as long as you can manage local travel other ways, and it sounds like you’ve got that figured out. Renting a car when you need to get out of the city is not a bad thing. For a not-exactly-the-same-thing reference, my company prefers that I rent a car and expense it for longer trips. It’s cheaper than paying me mileage. So, there is some level of logic that might apply to your travel scenarios.
All that you’re really giving up is the convenience of being able to hop in the car and go when you need to do so. That might not be a huge compromise, all things considered.

If everything you need on a daily basis is available in your neighbourhood, you can adopt the buy-what-I-need-today for meals.
That reduces your storage needs and helps things feel less cluttered. The neighbourhood becomes your vending machine, of sorts.
The spend might be a bit more, but there will be less waste. It could be a wash once you get used to it and get a good system going.
And with less perishables in the house, if you want to take off on a spontaneous day (or two) trip, the stress of food waste is less. It can be a bit freeing.

And I’m rambling/thinking out loud justifying the idea to myself almost as much as trying to help you.

I lived in an apartment through my teens. It wasn’t horrible. The two worst memories were my bike getting swiped and when one of my friends moved in right above us and I learned that he walked like a fucking Neanderthal. I could pinpoint his location through 11-inch concrete if he took more than three steps. It wasn’t downtown or near the water, though.
Everything else was basically fine. We were 4 people at the beginning, in a three bedroom apartment.

I think that if we were to move into a condo now, I’d need water views, access to recreational paths and all of the neighbourhood amenities I hinted at above. I couldn’t do downtown in a big city, and especially not Toronto.

I’ll stop there. I might come back with other ideas.
 
The one I'm looking at is right down the street from Lincoln Park in Chicago. It's one of the largest parks in Chicago. They have a free zoo, and it's 4 blocks from Lake Michigan.
 
That looks beautiful. I would do it.

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I lived briefly in that area. It was lovely. If Johnny Velour is still playing at the Zebra Lounge, ask him to play his Sinatra parody, "You make Me Feel So Hung".
 
It looks like an attractive area. It’s nice to have so much within walking distance.

Is there a way you could rent first to try it out?
 
Spend the week practicing on a headphone amp.

It’s a nice area, would you use the nice amenities? I walk my pups to the park at least once a day because it’s a block away.

I don’t have a HOA but my lady friend did for years. Not a fan.

Do an estimate of your driving expenses for a month and do a real comparison of what an Uber would cost.
 
Definitely lots to consider. As long as this can be done without any debt, that would be a plus. The other question is will you be content in a smaller space. Good luck on whatever you decide to do.
 
I know some folks that have done a similar downsize. They seem happy with it. I think the quality of public transit is key. It's supposed to be pretty good in Chicago, right? If you go for it, best of luck! :thu:
 
Public transit is good in Chicago. I want to be within walking distance to an L line.
 
Definitely lots to consider. As long as this can be done without any debt, that would be a plus. The other question is will you be content in a smaller space. Good luck on whatever you decide to do.
I'm tired of so much stuff consuming my thoughts. I'm tired of having to think about major car and home maintainence, lawn mowing, snow shovelling, etc. I want sidewalk cafes within walking distance. And I'm fine with buying what I need to eat on a daily basis. I want to be withing walking distance of places that I can just watch life from.
 
At my age it's an appealing idea that I've also considered. I need to downsize anyway. A single old man with a separate music studio, pool, 1700 sqft home, 2 car garage, 2 motorcycles, a fleet of canoes and kayaks, and an acre+ of land is just too much even tho its all paid off. I could sell a bunch of stuff and easily afford a nice downtown apt or condo in Huntsville or Birmingham without going into debt.
The idea of a walkable city neighborhood is very appealing, but Im not sure if I could do it long term as Ive been a rural person my whole life.
Not sure if a city park and treelined sidewalks would be an adequate touch grass situation for me long term. lol. More realistic for me would be to leave the suburban life and HOA behind for a small 800-1000 sqft cabin in the woods with no lawn, not too far from civilization, with a big insulated metal outbuilding for a couple canoes, one bike, and the 4Runner.
 
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There's no real way to rent first without selling my place, etc. And rents are so high that renting really doesn't make sense if you can buy outright.

We’ve talked about downsizing at some point. But, when we figure in HOA fees, it doesn’t seem like a big savings.

We live in a single family home on 2.5 acres. Up until last year, our HOA fees were $50 a year in an upscale area. They just increased it to $125 a year. Still crazy low. Of course, the HOA only covers covenant enforcement and annual wood chipping. There’s no public transportation, virtually no culture, and
nothing within walking distance. E-bike is only viable part of the time.

Condo or Townhome HOA fees can be $450-$650 a month. Some areas south of us, in Colorado Springs, have HOA fees $795-$1495 a month. It does cover some extras. It would be nice not to have to worry about snow removal or taking care of a yard.

It seems like the HOA fees in the Lincoln Park area of Chicago are lower, or comparable, to Colorado Springs. Meanwhile, Springs has virtually nothing worthwhile within walking distance unless you move to downtown. It offers, below average public transportation, mediocre food, and a lack of culture.

I understand why you’d want to move near Lincoln Park. Does Chicago do a good job of sidewalk snow removal during winter?
 
We’ve talked about downsizing at some point. But, when we figure in HOA fees, it doesn’t seem like a big savings.

We live in a single family home on 2.5 acres. Up until last year, our HOA fees were $50 a year in an upscale area. They just increased it to $125 a year. Still crazy low. Of course, the HOA only covers covenant enforcement and annual wood chipping. There’s no public transportation, virtually no culture, and
nothing within walking distance. E-bike is only viable part of the time.

Condo or Townhome HOA fees can be $450-$650 a month. Some areas south of us, in Colorado Springs, have HOA fees $795-$1495 a month. It does cover some extras. It would be nice not to have to worry about snow removal or taking care of a yard.

It seems like the HOA fees in the Lincoln Park area of Chicago are lower, or comparable, to Colorado Springs. Meanwhile, Springs has virtually nothing worthwhile within walking distance unless you move to downtown. It offers, below average public transportation, mediocre food, and a lack of culture.

I understand why you’d want to move near Lincoln Park. Does Chicago do a good job of sidewalk snow removal during winter?
An old friend moved to Old Colorado City about 15 yrs ago, before prices got out of hand. Sold his 40 ac spread here and got an older home near the old downtown for like $120,000. He was always the self employed type so he could do it. I had a career and elderly parents to see after keeping me in North Alabama. Now that my parents are both deceased and Im retired, it's just too expensive.
I have considered maybe a small town in northern NM. Las Vegas NM for example looks like a nice little small college town where you might could find a reasonably affordable cottage of some kind. I really like Alamosa CO and San Louis Valley, it's still pretty affordable by CO standards, but Im not sure if I could handle the winters there.
 
An old friend moved to Old Colorado City about 15 yrs ago, before prices got out of hand. Sold his 40 ac spread here and got an older home near the old downtown for like $120,000. He was always the self employed type so he could do it. I had a career and elderly parents to see after keeping me in North Alabama. Now that my parents are both deceased and Im retired, it's just too expensive.
I have considered maybe a small town in northern NM. Las Vegas NM for example looks like a nice little small college town where you might could find a reasonably affordable cottage of some kind. I really like Alamosa CO and San Louis Valley, it's still pretty affordable by CO standards, but Im not sure if I could handle the winters there

Including childhood, I've lived in Silver Spring, MD, Lake Havasu City, AZ, Flagstaff, AZ, Aurora, CO, Thornton, CO, Castle Rock, CO and Monument, CO. All of those locations have relatively expensive housing costs at this point. Denver in particular, and Colorado in general, are experiencing some exodus. The main people migrating to CO are from California where it's much more expensive. People are leaving CO for states with lower cost of living, better job opportunities, less congestion, improved life/work balance.

The main thing driving up cost of living in Denver, and other parts of Colorado, is housing. Rent, as well as monthly mortgage prices, have surged over the years. Part of the high cost is available water. The price a builder has to pay for water rights before breaking ground is high.

One of the more affordable areas in CO is Pueblo, and Pueblo West. Much like Denver, Pueblo has a lot of property crime, mostly car theft and auto break-ins. Denver, and many of the suburbs surrounding it, have significant violent crime rates. Downtown Pueblo has some violent crime, yet it's not as bad as Denver, nor Aurora, for examples.

Robert P McCulloch of McCulloch chainsaw, founded Lake Havasu City, AZ in 1963-64. He built a chainsaw factory that operated until it was closed in 1999. He also bought the London Bridge, moved it to LHC, installed it next to the lake, and dug a trench from the lake underneath the bridge. It became a significant tourist attraction, and along with the lake, drew people there. That real estate development was a big success.

The same R.P. McCulloch founded Pueblo West, CO in 1969, near Lake Pueblo. It was not the same success as LHC, AZ. There were state, and federal, lawsuits regarding fraud filed against McCulloch. The company agreed to pay out a settlement that was the largest in CO history.

Pueblo West, CO is one of the more affordable locations in Colorado. A small condo, in a relatively affordable part of Colorado Springs, might cost $299,000 plus $450-500 monthly HOA fees. Meanwhile, you can find single family homes in Pueblo W for that same price with an HOA fee of $20 a month. Most of the homes in that price range are older. The square footage is usually 1000 to 1500. Some with garage, some without. However, I did see a home listed for $290,000 that had 5 rooms, 2 bathrooms, 3000 square ft of space, two garages (space to park 5 cars within them).

Pueblo West has much less snowfall than much of Colorado, including Springs, Monument, Denver (+suburbs), the mountains, etc. It's a slow paced town that tends to attract working class (trades people) and retirees. It's about 2 hours south of Denver by auto, and roughly an hour south of Colorado Springs. Pueblo West is roughly 20 minutes north of downtown Pueblo. It's not a bad looking place, particularly with a view of the lake. It has significantly lower crime than downtown Pueblo, Colorado Springs, Aurora, Denver (+suburbs), etc. If I was ready to stop working, I'd consider moving there.
 
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