Board, taking it all apart and starting over. Wanna help or comment?
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sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Lots more experimentation to be done with all these pedals. But a couple possible configurations that might fit with each amp. Big - Concert, Smaller - Peavey.
Old tuner replaced, Boss CE-5 added for possible stereo option. Possible config.
The Behringer tuner came a little back to life, but seems to take forever to “hear” my low E string. This little guy was cheap. Not saying it goes there like that, but that is all the further the little cheapo cable that came with it would reach to try out the chain. Top middle space for the new old Small Clone (after some chorus shoot out, and playing with the M9 to see if I can get a setting in the M9 to clone the Small Clone) to go with the DS-1, into the Peavey. RC20XL looper can be added off board if necessary. Though the Muff does work with the Concert now, I think the Carcosa works better with it, and the Muff always worked great with the Peavey. Instant Crazy Horse.
All cables and power supply will be under the board after holes/slots are cut and things are finalized. Just playing now.
Old tuner replaced, Boss CE-5 added for possible stereo option. Possible config.
The Behringer tuner came a little back to life, but seems to take forever to “hear” my low E string. This little guy was cheap. Not saying it goes there like that, but that is all the further the little cheapo cable that came with it would reach to try out the chain. Top middle space for the new old Small Clone (after some chorus shoot out, and playing with the M9 to see if I can get a setting in the M9 to clone the Small Clone) to go with the DS-1, into the Peavey. RC20XL looper can be added off board if necessary. Though the Muff does work with the Concert now, I think the Carcosa works better with it, and the Muff always worked great with the Peavey. Instant Crazy Horse.
All cables and power supply will be under the board after holes/slots are cut and things are finalized. Just playing now.
Bob411
thrumming with potential
I really hate that. I hate myself for being stupid enough to buy a clip on tuner that's not a Snark, when it was the SDOTD. The way I fixed mine was with a hammer. My tuner was a clip on, sure you can fix a pedal tuner the same way, you'll just need a bigger hammer.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Sometimes it works. Seems to work better with any guitar but my strat, (single coil version) and I have the tele put away right now, and bet that would be the same, though that bridge pickup and P90 are hotter than the strat’s single coil.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Ok, anxiety and procrastination driven purchase no. 103 or so arrived. An older EHX Small Clone. (@Peen Simmons ) I paid the going rate less a small discount after haggling. It got here, and like my EHX Lil’ Big Muff was before last week, knob pot was super stiff to turn. Didn’t even bother plugging it in and got out the deoxit. Did all the switches, jacks and pots, and then, no noise from the pedal! Looked inside, and a little brown lead that was supposed to be connected to the output jack was hanging loose. There is enough wire so I trimmed back some more insulation, and for now, just used a little crimp connector to make the connection. Will go back and solder it properly sometime later when I get all the solder stuff out for a few things.
Also tightened up the nuts that hold the jacks in the back, as they were quite loose.
But then, still no noise . . . Until I accidentally put some upward pressure on the cable end of the cable running to the amp, and I got noise. So, did that some more, and it worked. Took it back apart and discovered the output jack was twisted in its hole and contacting something underneath that was cured when I put the upward pressure on the cable end. So, loosened the nut again, twisted it out of the way, and resecured. Now it works just fine. Didn’t realize that the power input was different from normal, and luckily had an adapter from my new power supply. In the process of this, the black lead from the 9v battery came loose. No biggy to fix that if I want to. It works on the pedal power supply, and I don’t generally use batteries in my pedals. I ain’t Eric Johnson.
So, will contact the seller and ask for a partial refund, as I still have to solder the connection on the one jack, and I shouldn’t have to pay going rate for a pedal that needs to be cleaned up, and connections repaired.
Good news, it sounds good and I like it. Will compare it with the CE-5 for fun to compare sound, and with the models in the M9 and see if I can get a model in there to sound roughly the same. At that point, the analog pedal will likely live with the DS-1 on the little board for the Peavey. But we shall see.
Broken connection
Fixed for now. Will solder later. Jack now twisted around properly so it doesn’t contact that stuff below and kill the signal.
Also tightened up the nuts that hold the jacks in the back, as they were quite loose.
But then, still no noise . . . Until I accidentally put some upward pressure on the cable end of the cable running to the amp, and I got noise. So, did that some more, and it worked. Took it back apart and discovered the output jack was twisted in its hole and contacting something underneath that was cured when I put the upward pressure on the cable end. So, loosened the nut again, twisted it out of the way, and resecured. Now it works just fine. Didn’t realize that the power input was different from normal, and luckily had an adapter from my new power supply. In the process of this, the black lead from the 9v battery came loose. No biggy to fix that if I want to. It works on the pedal power supply, and I don’t generally use batteries in my pedals. I ain’t Eric Johnson.
So, will contact the seller and ask for a partial refund, as I still have to solder the connection on the one jack, and I shouldn’t have to pay going rate for a pedal that needs to be cleaned up, and connections repaired.
Good news, it sounds good and I like it. Will compare it with the CE-5 for fun to compare sound, and with the models in the M9 and see if I can get a model in there to sound roughly the same. At that point, the analog pedal will likely live with the DS-1 on the little board for the Peavey. But we shall see.
Broken connection
Fixed for now. Will solder later. Jack now twisted around properly so it doesn’t contact that stuff below and kill the signal.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Chorus shoot out. Quick initial impressions. The Analog Chorus model in the M9 can be made to sound very close to the Small Clone. Tone control, present on the M9 but not on the Small Clone, needs to be turned down. Other stuff, rate and depth, etc. can be just dialed in for what you want, and can match well enough. So, Small Clone will end up on the Peavey Board ultimately as I thought. Will need to do the same thing with the DS-1 so I can have a Nevermind setting dialed in on the M9. Cuz everyone needs that, or I want it, apparently.
CE-5 is just different. Could be close enough, but it is just not the same. Just more Boss-ish, somehow. A little cleaner, a little harsher? But the filter controls could be messed with. Will keep on this board for the stereo possibilities mebbe. Won’t need it on the Peavey board. If I end up not needing it, can sell the CE-5. I think the M9 can do most of what it can.
But those are just initial thoughts. And with a quick Guitar Center Nevermind tone in mind. didn’t really explore shimmery for Cali jangle. Will do that tomorrow. Gotta get cleaned up and go for the night. Where did the day go?
Oh yeah, futzing with the new pedal that needed help. And a bit lost in fog from staying up late.
CE-5 is just different. Could be close enough, but it is just not the same. Just more Boss-ish, somehow. A little cleaner, a little harsher? But the filter controls could be messed with. Will keep on this board for the stereo possibilities mebbe. Won’t need it on the Peavey board. If I end up not needing it, can sell the CE-5. I think the M9 can do most of what it can.
But those are just initial thoughts. And with a quick Guitar Center Nevermind tone in mind. didn’t really explore shimmery for Cali jangle. Will do that tomorrow. Gotta get cleaned up and go for the night. Where did the day go?
Oh yeah, futzing with the new pedal that needed help. And a bit lost in fog from staying up late.
reverend1
Kick Henry Jackassowski
You're making this much too complicated.
reverend1
Kick Henry Jackassowski
Here's what you need.
foundation drive sound- slightly higher gain sound- some sort of boost-Delay- Reverb - some sort of modulation-tuner-looper, not in that order.
If your are playing with a band a lot of the slight nuances are lost in the mix, the audience doesn't notice them anyway, they're really just there for you. You need a mild gain that will end up being your most used sound, then a higher gain, and boost. between the combo's of all three of these pedals, volume knob, and picking dynamics, you should be able to cover most things. Remember you need less drive than you think you do. You just start to disappear in the mix at a certain point. The delay reverb and modulation just need to be good, sturdy, easy to use pedals. By the time you add drums, cymbals, singer, second guitar in there a lot of it gets washed out anyway.
foundation drive sound- slightly higher gain sound- some sort of boost-Delay- Reverb - some sort of modulation-tuner-looper, not in that order.
If your are playing with a band a lot of the slight nuances are lost in the mix, the audience doesn't notice them anyway, they're really just there for you. You need a mild gain that will end up being your most used sound, then a higher gain, and boost. between the combo's of all three of these pedals, volume knob, and picking dynamics, you should be able to cover most things. Remember you need less drive than you think you do. You just start to disappear in the mix at a certain point. The delay reverb and modulation just need to be good, sturdy, easy to use pedals. By the time you add drums, cymbals, singer, second guitar in there a lot of it gets washed out anyway.
Pine Apple Slim
Armchair Expert
This has pretty much been my standard set up, in this order:
Guitar
Tuner
Diamond Jr Octal comp, just barely on, to tame my sometimes ham handed right hand.
Foundation: DynoBrain with the bass cut knob dialed in to the guitar Im using, at unity gain or just a hair above. If the music is more rootsy, or has a blues flavor, Ill use the Jr Barnyard instead. It has a boost built into it and can get dirtier than the DynoBrain if needed. But Im gonna try a setup with it at the end of the chain, as Ive been discussing with Sunvalleylaw.
Modulation: I've never owned a chorus pedal, but I do like me some auto wah/env filter from time to time, I usually put it here.
Slightly higher gain sound: DC Fluid Drive, SFT, or Sweet Baby, depending on the character of gain I'm chasing. I might put two on there to switch between for variety if needed.
Boost: This is where I usually use my Klon type pedals, Tumnus or Soul Food. For upper mids to punch thru the mix, be it for extra rhythm kerang, or usually for leads.
Delay: A simple analog delay or tape emulation type pedal is my go to, for a slapback or slightly longer delay. If there's songs in the set requiring long delay, I'll stick 2 delays on the board and set one "normal" and one for the long stuff.
Reverb and Tremelo on the Carr Rambler.
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reverend1
Kick Henry Jackassowski
This has pretty much been my standard set up, in this order:
Guitar
Tuner
Diamond Jr Octal comp, just barely on, to tame my sometimes ham handed right hand.
FoundationynoBrain with the bass cut knob dialed in to the guitar Im using, at unity gain or just a hair above. If the music is more rootsy, or has a blues flavor, Ill use the Jr Barnyard instead. It has a boost built into it and can get dirtier than the DynoBrain if needed. But Im gonna try a setup with it at the end of the chain, as Ive been discussing with Sunvalleylaw.
Modulation: I've never owned a chorus pedal, but I do like me some auto wah/env filter from time to time, I usually put it here.
Slightly higher gain sound: DC Fluid Drive, SFT, or Sweet Baby, depending on the character of gain I'm chasing. I might put two on there to switch between for variety if needed.
Boost: This is where I usually use my Klon type pedals, Tumnus or Soul Food. For upper mids to punch thru the mix, be it for extra rhythm kerang, or usually for leads.
Delay: A simple analog delay or tape emulation type pedal is my go to, for a slapjack or slightly longer delay. If there's songs in the set requiring long delay, I'll stick 2 delays on the board and set one "normal" and one for the long stuff.
Reverb and Tremelo on the Carr Rambler.
I run the following:
J Rocket Archer I use this one 90% of the time. Greer Lightspeed for clean boost, Wampler Tumnas for a gritter boost
J Rocket The Dude for more gain and a solo here or there
Love Pedal Vibronaut, Waza Dimension C, Love Pedal EPH-3
I will switch between my Tele (Rev Gristlemaster) and either my PRS CE24 Semi Hollow or my McFeely for the higher output stuff.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
What? Me get too much in my head and over-complicate things? And then maybe post walls of text about it on the internet? Huh?
Let me think about that for a while and pull it apart and see what I come up with.
Help!I'maRock!
Mediocringly Derivative
Keep going, Steve. You’ll get where you want.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Sometimes overcomplicating, pulling apart, experimenting, has some other purposes. (First, more relevant to this thread, is becoming more knowledgeable on what things do, so I can figure out how to use them or experiment with them better). But also other purposes. See my post in the mental health thread upcoming.Keep going, Steve. You’ll get where you want.
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Help!I'maRock!
Mediocringly Derivative
I went through this in the 00’s. It’s about learning how you sound, which is separate from actually playing the guitar.
Pine Apple Slim
Armchair Expert
Indeed. Recording or videoing yourself teaches you a lot.
sunvalleylaw
Yep.
Regarding the request for part refund on the EHX Small Clone that showed up a little messed up yesterday. The guy readily agreed to give me a part refund. He blamed it on the USPS, but not so sure anything they did would have caused the inputs/output jacks to be all loose, and of course they did not cause the pots and switches to be dirty. I was nice to him. He offered $20 back and I said fine. So, no worries!
Chad
Slender Hobbit
Everyone has a process to get where they need to be. I’ve gone from no pedals, to a crazy amount of pedals, back to 3 or 4 pedals. I’m about to setup a board with just a boost and delay. My main board is phaser->od->reverb->delay and I’m more than happy with just that.
Help!I'maRock!
Mediocringly Derivative
I obviously need to post more. Everyone buys more pedals when I do.
Chad
Slender Hobbit
I obviously need to post more. Everyone buys more pedals when I do.
deleting my Instagram account has done wonders for my wallet.
