Beato Identifies the Worst Music Ever Recorded

Songs #10 and #8 (first & third played) I wouldn't even call metal. And no I'm not trying to be a metal elitist. Those songs both pretty much had pop structures, along with both having obvious autotune vocals, just like pop songs.
 
I enjoyed that. Not because of the music, (there's not a single song there that I liked), but I dig his enthusiasm. He's got a really good ear, and I like that aspect of his videos. When he played some of those riffs he sounded better than the actual record, so I think maybe the production, timbres etc. are super obnoxious?

I might have go at the Rob Zombie riff, it sounded fun when Beato was playing it. The Lamb of God one was interesting too. Having said that, I've completely forgotten both of them, and I just listened to them 5 minutes ago. :embarrassed: They are not exactly 'You Really Got Me' or 'Sunshine of Your Love'.

The Beartooth one sounded like some shit I would come up with when I'm noodling with a fuzz.
 
Jbird said:
Songs #10 and #8 (first & third played) I wouldn't even call metal. And no I'm not trying to be a metal elitist. Those songs both pretty much had pop structures, along with both having obvious autotune vocals, just like pop songs.
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I didn't want to get into the 'is that really metal?' argument (it's the Vietnam of guitar discussion boards), but yeah. I thought some of those songs owed more to A-ha than, say, Judas Priest.
 
Also, he played a PRS that had a really cool color. I don't care for the guitar, but the color was gorgeous. It would be great on a strat.
 
Jbird said:
Songs #10 and #8 (first & third played) I wouldn't even call metal. And no I'm not trying to be a metal elitist. Those songs both pretty much had pop structures, along with both having obvious autotune vocals, just like pop songs.
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Newsflash. Modern metal are the absolute worst of the bunch when it comes to quantizing, programming and autotune.
Even the singers record the vocals with as little inflections, vibrato or general "feeling" as possible so that it will be easy to tune. This is fact btw.
There are pretty much no "mainstream" metal recorded in the last 15 years apart from a couple of exceptions where the drums haven't been replaced by samples - and pretty much all of the guitars amps are modelled. I use a Kemper myself, so I know....

Now...go back and listen to Piece of Mind - which is probably the best sounding metal album of the 80's. The drums in particular sound spectacular.

A lot of this actually started with...St. Anger. Bob Rock himself said they recorded a bunch of parts and he just sliced everything and moved it around until it sounded "good".
Yet it's somehow still one of the worst sounding albums ever released.

What I've noticed is EVERY fucking metal band sounds exactly the same these days - not including the extreme metal genres obviously.
And very often it's the same drum samples and amp models used, regardless of who recorded and mixed it.
Contrast that with the 80s and 90s where pretty much every metal band had their own distinct sound. Maiden, Priest, Sabbath, Dio, Pantera...the list goes on. Not one of them sounded like the others.

Metal was dead by the turn of the millennium. Coincidently by that time there were barely any metal singers left who could actually sing and these days it's pretty much all just shouting.

I fucking hate what passes as metal these days, with very few exceptions. A 7 or 8 string through a 5150 doesn't make it metal. The song does.

And I haven't even watched Rick's video yet. I just know that most of it will feature the very music I despise the most these days.
I'd rather listen to Taylor Swift. She actually has talent and can write a half decent song.
 
Dexter Inferno said:
Newsflash. Modern metal are the absolute worst of the bunch when it comes to quantizing, programming and autotune.
Even the singers record the vocals with as little inflections, vibrato or general "feeling" as possible so that it will be easy to tune. This is fact btw.
There are pretty much no "mainstream" metal recorded in the last 15 years apart from a couple of exceptions where the drums haven't been replaced by samples - and pretty much all of the guitars amps are modelled. I use a Kemper myself, so I know....

Now...go back and listen to Piece of Mind - which is probably the best sounding metal album of the 80's. The drums in particular sound spectacular.

A lot of this actually started with...St. Anger. Bob Rock himself said they recorded a bunch of parts and he just sliced everything and moved it around until it sounded "good".
Yet it's somehow still one of the worst sounding albums ever released.

What I've noticed is EVERY fucking metal band sounds exactly the same these days - not including the extreme metal genres obviously.
And very often it's the same drum samples and amp models used, regardless of who recorded and mixed it.
Contrast that with the 80s and 90s where pretty much every metal band had their own distinct sound. Maiden, Priest, Sabbath, Dio, Pantera...the list goes on. Not one of them sounded like the others.

Metal was dead by the turn of the millennium. Coincidently by that time there were barely any metal singers left who could actually sing and these days it's pretty much all just shouting.

I fucking hate what passes as metal these days, with very few exceptions. A 7 or 8 string through a 5150 doesn't make it metal. The song does.

And I haven't even watched Rick's video yet. I just know that most of it will feature the very music I despise the most these days.
I'd rather listen to Taylor Swift. She actually has talent and can write a half decent song.
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I went to Youtube and listened to the beginning of Piece of Mind. That is a great drum sound, and I am pretty much the world's biggest Iron Maiden hater.
 
Motorik said:
I went to Youtube and listened to the beginning of Piece of Mind. That is a great drum sound, and I am pretty much the world's biggest Iron Maiden hater.
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Maybe they needed to tighten up the drum sound because Nico is a more technical drummer, but I always felt they never sounded better than on Number of the Beast.
 
Motorik said:
I enjoyed that. Not because of the music, (there's not a single song there that I liked), but I dig his enthusiasm. He's got a really good ear, and I like that aspect of his videos. When he played some of those riffs he sounded better than the actual record, so I think maybe the production, timbres etc. are super obnoxious?

I might have go at the Rob Zombie riff, it sounded fun when Beato was playing it. The Lamb of God one was interesting too. Having said that, I've completely forgotten both of them, and I just listened to them 5 minutes ago. :embarrassed: They are not exactly 'You Really Got Me' or 'Sunshine of Your Love'.

The Beartooth one sounded like some shit I would come up with when I'm noodling with a fuzz.
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Agreed on Beato’s demo tones being better than the records. A few of the riffs—which I also cannot recall now—seemed to open up and sound fun without all the terrible production gunk on them.
 
Motorik said:
I didn't want to get into the 'is that really metal?' argument (it's the Vietnam of guitar discussion boards), but yeah. I thought some of those songs owed more to A-ha than, say, Judas Priest.
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Heh. I’m in some Power Pop Facebook group and the bitching about “is it power pop?” got so wild that the mods petulantly renamed the thing “power pop or not?” and threw the keys down a well and left it to the idiots to eat themselves.

The Twee group is almost just as bad.

Not sure what is more fraught—niche pop genres or theoretical leftists.
 
I don't really follow modern metal very closely.

I think this video highlights why. Not the specific songs, as I don't care at all about them, it is rather the massive compression used in the recording that takes out all the dynamics and makes it really tiring and LOUD. The wall of sound approach just turns me off. Add to that some screamo vocals and some extended range guitar playing down where the bass should be (and still fucking is) in the mix making it all sound like mud pretty much finishes it off for me. The quantized drum bits and shit only adds to the lack of excitement or dynamics. It just makes for a giant pile of boring to me.
 
The last "modern metal" songs I liked were on Evanescence's second album.

Not that I haven't seen some real talent out there. I just can't get into it.
 
Jbird said:
Songs #10 and #8 (first & third played) I wouldn't even call metal. And no I'm not trying to be a metal elitist. Those songs both pretty much had pop structures, along with both having obvious autotune vocals, just like pop songs.
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In many ways metal has become pop music. Not to sound like an elitist, but generally speaking, metal, like other ‘pop’ genres, is now big business. Metal kind of has become a victim of its own success, and it’s now a widely accepted mainstream music genre.

Luckily for me, there is still plenty of excellent underground metal
 
I made it one minute. Is this what the kids are calling muzak these days
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Wow I didn't like any of those songs, at all. Some of it sounds more like hard dance music than metal to me. All symphonic metal is just the Trans Siberian Orchestra's Christmas album with slightly different notes. The bands with the operatic female voice and the cookie monster fat guy sound so shitty to me. I'll stick with my old guy metal.
 
Dexter Inferno said:
Newsflash. Modern metal are the absolute worst of the bunch when it comes to quantizing, programming and autotune.
Even the singers record the vocals with as little inflections, vibrato or general "feeling" as possible so that it will be easy to tune. This is fact btw.
There are pretty much no "mainstream" metal recorded in the last 15 years apart from a couple of exceptions where the drums haven't been replaced by samples - and pretty much all of the guitars amps are modelled. I use a Kemper myself, so I know....

Now...go back and listen to Piece of Mind - which is probably the best sounding metal album of the 80's. The drums in particular sound spectacular.

A lot of this actually started with...St. Anger. Bob Rock himself said they recorded a bunch of parts and he just sliced everything and moved it around until it sounded "good".
Yet it's somehow still one of the worst sounding albums ever released.

What I've noticed is EVERY fucking metal band sounds exactly the same these days - not including the extreme metal genres obviously.
And very often it's the same drum samples and amp models used, regardless of who recorded and mixed it.
Contrast that with the 80s and 90s where pretty much every metal band had their own distinct sound. Maiden, Priest, Sabbath, Dio, Pantera...the list goes on. Not one of them sounded like the others.

Metal was dead by the turn of the millennium. Coincidently by that time there were barely any metal singers left who could actually sing and these days it's pretty much all just shouting.

I fucking hate what passes as metal these days, with very few exceptions. A 7 or 8 string through a 5150 doesn't make it metal. The song does.

And I haven't even watched Rick's video yet. I just know that most of it will feature the very music I despise the most these days.
I'd rather listen to Taylor Swift. She actually has talent and can write a half decent song.
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You must be listening to the wrong metal bands, then, as far as autotuning goes.

I agree that there is way too much 'loudness-wars' and quantization going on in metal, but disagree on the autotuned vocals. For the background vocals, yeah, probably happening, but not for the lead vocals for most bands.

Take Symphony X, for example. All recorded & mixed by Michael Romeo (the lead guitarist). He's stated that he refuses to use autotune, and also refuses to 'fix' bad notes by using Pro Tools. If you goof up, you are playing it again.

Sure, most of the background chorus-like vocals are sampled and triggered, but the lead vocal by Russell Allen is all him.
And yes, the audio levels are maxxed out (I dont care for that, personally) and it's quantized for the most part, but not everything is robotic. It would be hard to quantize Romeo's guitar parts without it sounding like a robot, since he uses so much slide & bending techniques in his rhythm playing (see the video by Dr. Bob where he quantizes Van Halen - Running With The Devil...it sounds like crap). I'm sure it's done subtely enough to line everything up, but if you were too far off you are re-recording it.

Most good bands (not all, for sure) are probably similar.
 
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