Acthung: Flamencology!

Kerouac

Kerouac

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Not to put a damper on the birthday celebrations, but I was washing dishes and singing to myself and I spontaneously broke into a bit Phantom of the Opera, which caused the following thought to pop into my head:

Who do dislike more, Andrew Loyd Webber or Danny Elfman? :embarrassed:
 
Lloyd Weber, it's not even close.

I don't really dislike Elfman, I just don't think that highly of his music.

Lloyd Weber is public execution material.
 
Danny Elfman was brilliant as part of Oingo Boingo. It's only his movie soundtrack work that is shit. It's still far less offensive to my ears than Weber though.
 
Funnily enough, I was reading the latest brain dribbling from Bob Lefsetz this morning and chanced upon this...

Trent Reznor, did the soundtrack [for The Social Network]. I read about it, but didn't expect it to be SO GOOD! So ominous, setting the tone so well. Trent may be the new Danny Elfman.

I thought of Flamencology and imagined him pretending to gag.
 
Sad Navigator said:
Funnily enough, I was reading the latest brain dribbling from Bob Lefsetz this morning and chanced upon this...

Trent Reznor, did the soundtrack [for The Social Network]. I read about it, but didn't expect it to be SO GOOD! So ominous, setting the tone so well. Trent may be the new Danny Elfman.

I thought of Flamencology and imagined him pretending to gag.
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I am all for Reznor doing more scoring work. :thu:
 
Kerouac said:
I am all for Reznor doing more scoring work. :thu:
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Yeah, yeah. He needs to score more. Then maybe he'll quit being so angry. He needs to score. SCORE. Yeah. Like an animal. Then maybe he'll stop talking about how hurt he is. Heheh. He's gonna score.
 
Sad Navigator said:
Yeah, yeah. He needs to score more. Then maybe he'll quit being so angry. He needs to score. SCORE. Yeah. Like an animal. Then maybe he'll stop talking about how hurt he is. Heheh. He's gonna score.
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:lol:

His instrumental music and albums like Still seem to indicate he'd be excellent at it.
 
Sad Navigator said:
Funnily enough, I was reading the latest brain dribbling from Bob Lefsetz this morning and chanced upon this...

Trent Reznor, did the soundtrack [for The Social Network]. I read about it, but didn't expect it to be SO GOOD! So ominous, setting the tone so well. Trent may be the new Danny Elfman.

I thought of Flamencology and imagined him pretending to gag.
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It's not a lack of skill on Elfman's part that grates me, it's the totally syrupy arrested-development lack of maturity. It's essentially the same problem that I have with Burton himself; whenever there's a moment that strains for emotional emphasis, we're presented with the something incredibly hollow and superficial. "This is what sad is supposed to look/sound like."

On the subject of rock stars scoring films, I thought that Greenwood's score for There Will Be Blood was among the best film scores of recent years.
 
Flamencology said:
It's not a lack of skill on Elfman's part that grates me, it's the totally syrupy arrested-development lack of maturity. It's essentially the same problem that I have with Burton himself; whenever there's a moment that strains for emotional emphasis, we're presented with the something incredibly hollow and superficial. "This is what sad is supposed to look/sound like."
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What's "emotional" and "mature" supposed to look like? (Brought to you by the Devil's Advocacy Council)

Still, I dig what you're saying. Burton (and Elfman by association) does stuff that has a very teeny/adolescent feel. (I don't think that's a bad thing, if that's the thing you know you're getting going in.)
 
Sad Navigator said:
What's "emotional" and "mature" supposed to look like? (Brought to you by the Devil's Advocacy Council)
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That's exactly my point. You don't walk into a funeral planning to cry. Unless you're going to a funeral in a Burton film.

It's not movies for teens/adolescents, it's movies for man-children
 
Flamencology said:
That's exactly my point. You don't walk into a funeral planning to cry. Unless you're going to a funeral in a Burton film.

It's not movies for teens/adolescents, it's movies for man-children
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So they're movies that simulate teeny/adolescent feelings/ideas for grown-ups hung up on ideas of teeniness? That could be. My favorite film of his is Scissorhands and I like it, partly, because it's so obviously superficial and artificial. It works on fairytale logic according to the rules of totally one-dimensional portrayals of suburbia. It's chock full of wonky fake nostalgia and stylized faux gothiness. It reminds me of the Haunted Mansion at Disneyland/world crossed with a music video. For my money, most of his films have (and I'm totally generalizing here) been variations on Scissorhands dressed up in slightly different costumes. I suppose I see his stuff now mostly out of habit more than anything--which is kinda like keeping up with a past-their-prime pop group who soundtracked your youth.
 
Sad Navigator said:
So they're movies that simulate teeny/adolescent feelings/ideas for grown-ups hung up on ideas of teeniness?
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Not quite; they simulate adult feelings for adults who stopped developing emotionally after high school.

(That said, I can see how the stylization, visuals, retro-vibe, etc., can appeal to someone, but I'm honestly disturbed at adults who shed tears over Scissorhands or Big Fish or whatnot)
 
Flamencology said:
Not quite; they simulate adult feelings for adults who stopped developing emotionally after high school.

(That said, I can see how the stylization, visuals, retro-vibe, etc., can appeal to someone, but I'm honestly disturbed at adults who shed tears over Scissorhands or Big Fish or whatnot)
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I've never cried at a Tim Burton movie. I tend to approach movies fairly "clinically." (Which is probably why I like Burton's mish-mash of "borrowed" themes and little visual curlicues and nods to Hammer horror movies.)
 
Sad Navigator said:
Dude. Seriously? Are you one of them "man-children" Flamencology is making fun of?
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Apparently. I guess to make it even worse, it's Danny Elfman's score that does it, not the film itself. I get a bit teary-eyed listening to "Finale" whenever I hear it.
 
Kerouac said:
Apparently. I guess to make it even worse, it's Danny Elfman's score that does it, not the film itself. I get a bit teary-eyed listening to "Finale" whenever I hear it.
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I think you should challenge Flamencology to a duel. (Choose pistols. I think the F-man knows how to fence.)
 
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