Tube amp impedance mismatch, 16 ohm tap to 8 ohm load... how bad?

cvogue

Yes, that's Oolong. :)
So I was a bonehead and had the impedance selector on my amp set wrong, set to 16 but using my cab with the tube combo and extension it's an 8 ohm load. :facepalm:

This went on for 2 hours on Saturday and a 3 hour gig the next day. Wondering how bad this really is, what damage may have been done. I should have clued in, it didn't sound quite right but, sigh, oh well.

Thanks for any insight.
 
Your amp is probably fine. You would likely experience signs if you had caused damage. With tube amps, they often start sputtering, almost like a gated fuzz, before the damage happens. If you shut them off fast when you notice, you can avoid a repair.

The danger depends on the type of amp. With solid state amps, going from a higher impedance amp output into a lower impedance speaker cab risks damage to the amp. However, mismatch the other direction, low impedance (ex: 8 ohm) output to high impedance speaker cab (16 ohm) is safe. In fact, if you have a SS amp with a 4 ohm output, it will be safe with 4 ohm, 8 ohm or 16 ohm speaker cab.

With tube amps there are two different kinds of risk…

“If your amp’s output transformer is designed for an 8 Ω load:
  • 8 Ω tap → 4 Ω speaker = low impedance mismatch (2:1 mismatch)
  • 8 Ω tap → 16 Ω speaker = high impedance mismatch (2:1 mismatch)
The mismatch ratio is the same, but the stress on the amp is different.

8 Ω output into 4 Ω speaker (too low a load)

The tubes must deliver more current than intended. This can:
  • Heat the output tubes more.
  • Stress the output transformer.
  • Increase power supply strain.
8 Ω output into 16 Ω speaker (too high a load)

The tubes deliver less current, but the output transformer can develop higher flyback voltages when the speaker’s impedance causes energy to reflect back into the transformer. This can:
  • Stress the output transformer insulation.
  • Cause arcing at tube sockets or tube elements.
  • Damage transformers in severe cases.
Historically, transformer damage from excessive voltage spikes is why many amp techs consider a high-side mismatch (too many ohms) potentially more dangerous than a low-side mismatch.”

Generally, with a tube amps, one step either direction (2:1) is not likely to cause damage. Examples: 16 ohm output to 8 ohm cab. 8 ohm output to 16 ohm cab. What is very dangerous with tube amps are things like 4 ohm output to 16 ohm cab. Or, 16 ohm output to 4 ohm cab.
 
Your amp is probably fine. You would likely experience signs if you had caused damage. With tube amps, they often start sputtering, almost like a gated fuzz, before the damage happens. If you shut them off fast when you notice, you can avoid a repair.

The danger depends on the type of amp. With solid state amps, going from a higher impedance amp output into a lower impedance speaker cab risks damage to the amp. However, mismatch the other direction, low impedance (ex: 8 ohm) output to high impedance speaker cab (16 ohm) is safe. In fact, if you have a SS amp with a 4 ohm output, it will be safe with 4 ohm, 8 ohm or 16 ohm speaker cab.

With tube amps there are two different kinds of risk…

“If your amp’s output transformer is designed for an 8 Ω load:
  • 8 Ω tap → 4 Ω speaker = low impedance mismatch (2:1 mismatch)
  • 8 Ω tap → 16 Ω speaker = high impedance mismatch (2:1 mismatch)
The mismatch ratio is the same, but the stress on the amp is different.

8 Ω output into 4 Ω speaker (too low a load)

The tubes must deliver more current than intended. This can:
  • Heat the output tubes more.
  • Stress the output transformer.
  • Increase power supply strain.
8 Ω output into 16 Ω speaker (too high a load)

The tubes deliver less current, but the output transformer can develop higher flyback voltages when the speaker’s impedance causes energy to reflect back into the transformer. This can:
  • Stress the output transformer insulation.
  • Cause arcing at tube sockets or tube elements.
  • Damage transformers in severe cases.
Historically, transformer damage from excessive voltage spikes is why many amp techs consider a high-side mismatch (too many ohms) potentially more dangerous than a low-side mismatch.”

Generally, with a tube amps, one step either direction (2:1) is not likely to cause damage. Examples: 16 ohm output to 8 ohm cab. 8 ohm output to 16 ohm cab. What is very dangerous with tube amps are things like 4 ohm output to 16 ohm cab. Or, 16 ohm output to 4 ohm cab.

Wow! Great stuff, thanks jrockbridge! Yeah should have mentioned it's an all tube amp, Splawn Streetrod

Really appreciate the info.
 
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