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MonkeyZero

MonkeyZero

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This is what I deal with. It's not our ISP either, it's our WiFi set up. I even have a range extender 10 feet from my office.
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Do you know what it would cost to run Cat5 (or 6) drops around our building? Not only do we not have a switch big enough but we would be down for at least a day which ain't happening. We are a 247365 medical building relying on a paperless EMR (yes I know that's a bit redundant).
What we need are more AP's and lots of them. Our corporate IT just fired the head honcho bc his management style was yelling and telling but not actually doing anything.
It's really frustrating.


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MonkeyZero said:
Do you know what it would cost to run Cat5 (or 6) drops around our building? Not only do we not have a switch big enough but we would be down for at least a day which ain't happening. We are a 247365 medical building relying on a paperless EMR (yes I know that's a bit redundant).
What we need are more AP's and lots of them. Our corporate IT just fired the head honcho bc his management style was yelling and telling but not actually doing anything.
It's really frustrating.


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I dunno, maybe @dodgechargerfan or someone in that business can chime in. I'd think it'd be much easier to just install a bunch of wireless routers/repeaters, assuming your main trunk connection can support all the devices.
 
MonkeyZero said:
Do you know what it would cost to run Cat5 (or 6) drops around our building? Not only do we not have a switch big enough but we would be down for at least a day which ain't happening. We are a 247365 medical building relying on a paperless EMR (yes I know that's a bit redundant).
What we need are more AP's and lots of them. Our corporate IT just fired the head honcho bc his management style was yelling and telling but not actually doing anything.
It's really frustrating.


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Why would you have to be down at all? Networking is what I do, and there is no need for any downtime when running cable. I used to work at a very larger university medical center. We had cable being run almost daily and it caused no downtime. And keep in mind, you don't have to run it through the whole building, just to your office :grin:
 
Chad said:
Why would you have to be down at all? Networking is what I do, and there is no need for any downtime when running cable. I used to work at a very larger university medical center. We had cable being run almost daily and it caused no downtime. And keep in mind, you don't have to run it through the whole building, just to your office :grin:
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We would be down because they would need to install and configure a new switch and then each AP. Also because our IT department has the attention span of a gnat and they take 3 hours to do a 5 minute job.
 
shoeless said:
I dunno, maybe @dodgechargerfan or someone in that business can chime in. I'd think it'd be much easier to just install a bunch of wireless routers/repeaters, assuming your main trunk connection can support all the devices.
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You are absolutely right. Wireless access points require cables to be run, and you can buy switches that power the access points, if not, you are also running power to those points. Those access points also need to be plugged into a switch. So instead of buying a new switch and cable runs, you are buying a new switch that can power the access points (which cost more) and access points.
 
MonkeyZero said:
We would be down because they would need to install and configure a new switch and then each AP. Also because our IT department has the attention span of a gnat and they take 3 hours to do a 5 minute job.
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You install and configure the new switch while the current one is still in place and doing its job. In fact, you don't even need to get rid of the current switch, you can uplink the new switch into the current switch. The existing APs don't even need to be touched, they can stay as is. If you do want to get rid of the current switch, you install the new one next to the current one, then once the new one is up and running, you move each cable over one at a time. The only downtime is if the cable is connected to an AP and the AP gets the power from the switch, then the AP reboots, which is no different than if the power blips. Move one AP over and wait until it is back online before you move the next one. If the wireless network was setup correctly, one going down shouldn't affect the network, there should be some overlap by neighboring APs. If it wasn't setup correctly, install new APs on the new switch and make sure those new APs cover the coverage gaps so when you move the old ones over, them going down for 30 seconds doesn't affect coverage.

Most wiring closets already have more than 1 switch. To me it sounds like your network is in shambles and it really should be addressed properly because it could affect patient's lives.
 
Chad said:
You install and configure the new switch while the current one is still in place and doing its job. In fact, you don't even need to get rid of the current switch, you can uplink the new switch into the current switch. The existing APs don't even need to be touched, they can stay as is. If you do want to get rid of the current switch, you install the new one next to the current one, then once the new one is up and running, you move each cable over one at a time. The only downtime is if the cable is connected to an AP and the AP gets the power from the switch, then the AP reboots, which is no different than if the power blips. Move one AP over and wait until it is back online before you move the next one. If the wireless network was setup correctly, one going down shouldn't affect the network, there should be some overlap by neighboring APs. If it wasn't setup correctly, install new APs on the new switch and make sure those new APs cover the coverage gaps so when you move the old ones over, them going down for 30 seconds doesn't affect coverage.

Most wiring closets already have more than 1 switch. To me it sounds like your network is in shambles and it really should be addressed properly because it could affect patient's lives.
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It is in shambles. We have 7 APs and need probably 8 more to get proper coverage. It wouldn't affect anyone's life. We do substance abuse rehab and mental health. The IT guys clearly don't know what you do about setting up the new APs and then migrating the current ones over as they keep telling me they would need to unhook everything and rebuild it all again over a day.
The main frustration here is that they have been aware of how bad everything is and they drag their feet making a decision.
Now they are talking about running physical drops and hardwiring everyone which is stupid considering our therapists carry their laptop around to groups and individual sessions and would have to find a port every time they sat down.
These dudes ain't very smart.
 
MonkeyZero said:
It is in shambles. We have 7 APs and need probably 8 more to get proper coverage. It wouldn't affect anyone's life. We do substance abuse rehab and mental health. The IT guys clearly don't know what you do about setting up the new APs and then migrating the current ones over as they keep telling me they would need to unhook everything and rebuild it all again over a day.
The main frustration here is that they have been aware of how bad everything is and they drag their feet making a decision.
Now they are talking about running physical drops and hardwiring everyone which is stupid considering our therapists carry their laptop around to groups and individual sessions and would have to find a port every time they sat down.
These dudes ain't very smart.
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Yeah, that makes no sense. Almost every business outgrows their network at some point and you don't shut down the business to upgrade it. When I worked for the St Johns county school district, I was in a constant state of upgrading the network. The only times things went down, is if we were upgrading the main router/switch and that was for less than 30 seconds. You bring the new one up already configured and then start moving cables from the old one to the new one. Each segment was only down for the time it took to move a cable from one switch to the other.
 
Chad said:
Yeah, that makes no sense. Almost every business outgrows their network at some point and you don't shut down the business to upgrade it. When I worked for the St Johns county school district, I was in a constant state of upgrading the network. The only times things went down, is if we were upgrading the main router/switch and that was for less than 30 seconds. You bring the new one up already configured and then start moving cables from the old one to the new one. Each segment was only down for the time it took to move a cable from one switch to the other.
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That makes more sense to me and I don't know jack all about networking. I can do it in my house but when you add switches into the mix I'm out.
 
Eh, just go to bestbuy or staples and buy some shit to fix it. IT departments love it when users take the initiative to get stuff working right.
 
Lerxst said:
Eh, just go to bestbuy or staples and buy some shit to fix it. IT departments love it when users take the initiative to get stuff working right.
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I ain't footing the bill for 8 AP's and the cables. Heck no!

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