OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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I just don't understand the support for GOP economics.

You hear people saying over and over again "I'm a fiscal conservative" and, I mean... Then why are you supporting the GOP?

You're against a strong economy in favour of Reagan ideology?
 
I just don't understand the support for GOP economics.

You hear people saying over and over again "I'm a fiscal conservative" and, I mean... Then why are you supporting the GOP?

You're against a strong economy in favour of Reagan ideology?
I think many, many people, right or wrong, see the Democrats as spending money the government doesn't have on frivolous programs and such, and the Republicans not so much.

That was probably true in the '70s. Today... Both parties spend, it doesn't really make much of a difference which party is in power. Republicans spend more money on 'Defense', which could arguably be better spent elsewhere. But neither party has a good track record of making good fiscal decisions, quite frankly. It's just the perception that Republicans are better at it, again, like I said, right or wrong.
 
There's also the memory of the roaring '80s, when everyone was getting rich...or at least that's the way people remember it...
 
There's also the memory of the roaring '80s, when everyone was getting rich...or at least that's the way people remember it...

No, the GOP logic is that the 80s recession was all Carter’s fault and the 90s boom was because of Saint Ronnie. Which isn’t entirely untrue—DARPA was getting plenty of funding in the 1980s.
 
I just don't understand the support for GOP economics.

You hear people saying over and over again "I'm a fiscal conservative" and, I mean... Then why are you supporting the GOP?

You're against a strong economy in favour of Reagan ideology?
I, for one, will continue to worship my 1%er overlords. I live through them vicariously, ya know.
 
I, for one, will continue to worship my 1%er overlords. I live through them vicariously, ya know.

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Ok...the creation of Fox news could certainly be defined as the bellwetherof a change in political discourse, but the impeding of discourse was not made any less of an issue by the moving of MS-NBC to become the biased left news outlet it has become...and I'm sure if their viewers were unhappy about a stance they took on a candidate their reaction would be no less vehement...both networks serve as a haven for certain segments of the population to feel they have a voice...
The difference is nobody watches MSNBC.
 
And we are only in primary season. I wish I could block certain types of content rather than people on FB, but I am afraid I am going to have to unfollow some folks. Not taking a side in the politics in this space, just over being constantly barraged by it.
Isn't it ironic that a 73 page political discussion came from a post about being tired of politics. :embarrassed:
 
I'd be more impressed if the people writing all these "The GOP is Dead op-eds" were doing more than writing op-eds. I'm pretty sure they'll all fall in line because god forbid they have to pay taxes on Daddy's money when he died.
 
Just for the record, there isn't a scientific debate over the role of humans in climate change. The debate is purely political in nature, and supported by those backed financially by the fossil fuel industry. I know, everyone knows, but as a scientist I feel have to comment on those creating false impressions on the research findings.
 
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Juat for the record, there isn't a scientific debate over the role of humans in climate change. The debate is purely political in nature, and supported by those backed financially by the fossil fuel industry. I know, everyone knows, but as a scientist I feel have to comment on those creating false impressions on the research findings.
That's what I don't understand. How do climate change deniers justify their position?
 
That's what I don't understand. How do climate change deniers justify their position?

The high-profile ones are doing it because they get paid to. They’re professional talking heads, PR flacks, and scientific frauds.

The rank and file do it for different reasons. I could list them all, but it’s easy enough to apply people’s reasons for believing all kinds of nonsense to believing that thousands of scientists and countless journalists are all engaged in a grand conspiracy.
 
The people fall into two groups. The first is the paid shill, and you can guess who pays them and why. These are failed academic scientists looking for a paycheck by selling their limited credibility for cash in backing something they know to be false with 'controversy' and 'debate'. Anyone with even a hint of scientific training can add this type of controversy to a scientific discussion, as we are all trained to be critical in the peer review process, and applying that methodology to a hollow argument is simple. The other group are the true believers. When one looks into the credentials of this group, one finds individuals with degrees peripheral to the topic at hand (such as a psychology doctorate talking about climate change, for example, but using the credentials "Dr" and "Ph.D." to sound more legit) or outright fraudulent (doctorates in "natural medicine" or from diploma mills). These people are in it to stir up controversy and sell their book or speaking services. Along for the ride you have the followers. These are people who back the position of their political leaders, talk radio pundits, and so on, often because they don't bother to look (or cannot interpret) at the actual data. They hate Al Gore, cause he is a democrat and made that shitty movie, so climate change can't be real. I hate Al Gore, that was a shitty movie, but the science says man made climate change IS real.
 
The people fall into two groups. The first is the paid shill, and you can guess who pays them and why. These are failed academic scientists looking for a paycheck by selling their limited credibility for cash in backing something they know to be false with 'controversy' and 'debate'. Anyone with even a hint of scientific training can add this type of controversy to a scientific discussion, as we are all trained to be critical in the peer review process, and applying that methodology to a hollow argument is simple. The other group are the true believers. When one looks into the credentials of this group, one finds individuals with degrees peripheral to the topic at hand (such as a psychology doctorate talking about climate change, for example, but using the credentials "Dr" and "Ph.D." to sound more legit) or outright fraudulent (doctorates in "natural medicine" or from diploma mills). These people are in it to stir up controversy and sell their book or speaking services. Along for the ride you have the followers. These are people who back the position of their political leaders, talk radio pundits, and so on, often because they don't bother to look (or cannot interpret) at the actual data. They hate Al Gore, cause he is a democrat and made that shitty movie, so climate change can't be real. I hate Al Gore, that was a shitty movie, but the science says man made climate change IS real.
That stuff is all very frustrating. I don't hate Al Gore, but he can be hard to listen to. Maybe Kevin Bacon should have made the movie.
 
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