OMG Politics, I'm over it already.

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jp_nyc said:
Warren is the Democrat version of Rand Paul. Lots of bloody meat for the fringe, no pragmatism that might accomplish something. Much like Bernie.
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I hear your point, but as the whole political spectrum has shifted so much further to the right since the 80's, at a certain point, Dems have to stand up for the old traditional Democratic positions and values, and consider new ways of doing things such as they do in other countries (Healthcare, education), and stand firm on the environment and the growing economic disparity issues. That the conversation has over the years moved so far right does not make these positions any further left. Might seem that way in light of the results of years of trickle down theories and "let the companies do what they want"/deregulation movement. But it is not. As I have said before, if neoliberalism continues to appease further the radical right, we slowly lose in a battle of a thousand cuts.
 
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sunvalleylaw said:
…Dems have to stand up for the old traditional Democratic positions and values, and consider new ways of doing things such as they do in other countries (Healthcare, education), and stand firm on the environment and the growing economic disparity issues.
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The problem is that Warren and Sanders aren’t actually standing up for anything more than their own egos. If they really wanted to take a stand they’d get away from Washington and work on building up the party at the state level so that we have enough old-school liberals to actually accomplish something. Instead they just do a lot of grandstanding and accomplish nothing.
 
jp_nyc said:
The problem is that Warren and Sanders aren’t actually standing up for anything more than their own egos. If they really wanted to take a stand they’d get away from Washington and work on building up the party at the state level so that we have enough old-school liberals to actually accomplish something. Instead they just do a lot of grandstanding and accomplish nothing.
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ahhheeeeemmmm........B.O. :facepalm:
 
jp_nyc said:
The problem is that Warren and Sanders aren’t actually standing up for anything more than their own egos. If they really wanted to take a stand they’d get away from Washington and work on building up the party at the state level so that we have enough old-school liberals to actually accomplish something. Instead they just do a lot of grandstanding and accomplish nothing.
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I respectfully, yet vigorously, disagree. Maybe that needs to happen too, but someone also has to be a figurehead.

As an aside, we have a few good local Dems here in Idaho. They cannot make a dent registering as large as a door ding on the national scene, and pretty much the state scene here. Not sure how that is going to change in this state. Other states, such as my home state of Washington, do need to take this on. But they also need national leaders. I think Bernie and Ms. Warren have done quite a lot to get some younger people, along with some older people, interested in the process. Perhaps some will become inspired to act on a local level.
 
jp_nyc said:
The problem is that Warren and Sanders aren’t actually standing up for anything more than their own egos. If they really wanted to take a stand they’d get away from Washington and work on building up the party at the state level so that we have enough old-school liberals to actually accomplish something. Instead they just do a lot of grandstanding and accomplish nothing.
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I disagree. Bernie is doing his best to shake up the system. State level? Which state in particular? The only way to change it on a state level is to go national and effect every state, which has been Bernies goal. He is staying in till the convention to ensure the ground work he has been doing is not ignored by Hil and the Dem machine.
 
Just out of interest, an example of the interesting hypocrisy of the ruling GOP (kinda GOP, but looks like some weird radical right mutation to me) in Idaho. Our mountain county, along with a couple of other districts in parts of Boise, and maybe one other place I up north I can't think of right now, are the only districts/counties that vote Democrat. Locally, and in some other areas, there have been some wage efforts, and some LGBT oriented efforts, and gun efforts on the municipal and county levels. In fact, in Hailey, there is a law that says that pot is to be a low priority enforcement effort for police. But other than the pot one that snuck through, the State level GOP has headed these sorts of efforts off at the pass, by passing state laws saying counties and municipalities can't pass any such laws, you know, requiring a higher minimum wage or access to the bathroom or anything. Idaho Senators and Congressmen are always lamenting Federal interference on "local Idaho issues", but apparently, we very local locals are not to be trusted to govern ourselves without help from the State.
 
sunvalleylaw said:
Just out of interest, an example of the interesting hypocrisy of the ruling GOP (kinda GOP, but looks like some weird radical right mutation to me) in Idaho. Our mountain county, along with a couple of other districts in parts of Boise, and maybe one other place I up north I can't think of right now, are the only districts/counties that vote Democrat. Locally, and in some other areas, there have been some wage efforts, and some LGBT oriented efforts, and gun efforts on the municipal and county levels. In fact, in Hailey, there is a law that says that pot is to be a low priority enforcement effort for police. But other than the pot one that snuck through, the State level GOP has headed these sorts of efforts off at the pass, by passing state laws saying counties and municipalities can't pass any such laws, you know, requiring a higher minimum wage or access to the bathroom or anything. Idaho Senators and Congressmen are always lamenting Federal interference on "local Idaho issues", but apparently, we very local locals are not to be trusted to govern ourselves without help from the State.
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The world has never seen a revolution initiated by people who don't already have some type of power.
 
So Cruz is going to select Carly Fiorina as his running mate. She would have been a better pick for Trump. Trump has filed for bankruptcy a few times and she almost killed HP. They would have been perfect together.
 
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Chad said:
So Cruz is going to select Carly Fiorina as his running mate. She would have been a better pick for Trump. Trump has filed for bankruptcy a few times and she almost killed HP. They would have been perfect together.
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only if they managed to kill each other.
 
Flamencology said:
That, along with religion, anti-science, anti-intellectualism, racism, bigotry, free market economics, anti-government paranoia, states rights, fear of socialism, etc.
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It would be cool if the candidates could no longer campaign or do interviews. There would be a simple questionnaire the candidates would fill out on the issues and the people would get that along with their voting records on issues and thats it. No attacking the opponents or saying why their opponents plans are wrong (it seems to me a bunch of folks get elected on saying the other guys ideas suck when they have no i deas of their own) only stating your plans and goals.
 
Chad said:
It would be cool if the candidates could no longer campaign or do interviews. There would be a simple questionnaire the candidates would fill out on the issues and the people would get that along with their voting records on issues and thats it. No attacking the opponents or saying why their opponents plans are wrong (it seems to me a bunch of folks get elected on saying the other guys ideas suck when they have no i deas of their own) only stating your plans and goals.
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the media would NEVER go along with that. they'd have nothing to do. and candidates voting records only is useful if they've been in office before running for Pres. privateers like trump HAVE no voting record.
i think they SHOULD say what they're going to do, what their plans are. but if they take pot shots at their opponents, it should be an automatice $100,000 deduction from their campaign fund. and EVERYONE MUST have a publicly funded campaign fund. NO PRIVATE MONEY!!!
 
Flamencology said:
That, along with religion, anti-science, anti-intellectualism, racism, bigotry, free market economics, anti-government paranoia, states rights, fear of socialism, Fox News, hatred of taxation, etc., having poisoned the minds of voters.
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So politics without the Republican Party. I like it.
 
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