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rsadasiv said:
Repressed forumites of the world answer: "YES!"
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Hmmm. More like the people who respect Mark and his business would say yes, but a significant potion of the newer members and a small group of the older members apparently don't give a shit.
 
cfgsteak said:
Hmmm. More like the people who respect Mark and his business would say yes, but a significant potion of the newer members and a small group of the older members apparently don't give a shit.
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Checks join date .....

Considers acting butt-hurt ......

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We can't have an honest or well-meaning discussion if we talk like that and the thread gets locked.

It's easy to act like you're above it all, roll your eyes, etc., and there's nothing gained or lost by posturing like that.

But I'm sure you'd feel differently if you were in my position, and I wish you could respect that.
 
Honestly, is there anything going on at any forum that's worthy of butthurt?

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I say bring everyone back and ask 'em to play nice.
IIRC, when Oscar started posting here, he didn't immediately launch into his GJ schtick. Maybe he can hang without it.
 
Mrs.P said:
Then the three of them could build their own website and duke it out there and not on mark's board. icon_conf
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Realistically, this is ridiculously easy to do. Hell, I have like 4 or 5 forums with no members :lol:
 
Elias Graves said:
Honestly, is there anything going on at any forum that's worthy of butthurt?

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If someone told you that they had emailed your business contacts and called you disreputable, would you not be upset about it? If they were telling the truth, then that's, at the very least, professionally embarrassing and, at the very worst, a danger to your livelihood as a real person with real problems. And, even if they were lying, would you still feel comfortable associating with that person on a daily basis? How about if, without provocation, they claimed to be having you investigated for same purposes?

When someone makes it personal, it's hard not to take personally.

I've been posting here for years, and OGG had one libellous breakdown in a series of breakdowns, and a month later, I still have people I've considered friends for years questioning whether I faked cancer. Can anyone tell me that they wouldn't be upset or angry or hurt about that? How would you feel if people told you that you were in the wrong by trying to address it?
 
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If some random person from a different place of the world e-mailed all of our clients at the ranch and said my wife and i were baby-eating, satan-worshipping devil fiends, our clients would go WTF? and hit the spam button faster than you can blink. :shrug:
 
Punchy said:
If some random person from a different place of the world e-mailed all of our clients at the ranch and said my wife and i were baby-eating, satan-worshipping devil fiends, our clients would go WTF? and hit the spam button faster than you can blink. :shrug:
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And that's likely to be the case, but how can you just dismiss that kind of malice and pretend that everything's fine? Say that the Venn diagram of OGG's colleagues and musicians on the Premier Guitar radar was about 5. It's a small and insignificant number, but if one of those musicians spoke to an editor and said "sure, I'll do the interview as long as it's not with that guy Oscar, I've heard that this and that bad thing about him..." - then that's already too much damage for fooling around on a message board.
 
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micwalt said:
IIRC, when Oscar started posting here, he didn't immediately launch into his GJ schtick. Maybe he can hang without it.
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He didn't immediately go into schtick mode, but all of us knew it was only a matter of time until he did. He just can't help himself.
 
Flamencology said:
My simplest and most bottom line answer to that is that I'm the only one of those three that Mark neither asked to leave, not suggested that it would be good for the forum if I did. Were it not for that, I wouldn't be here, plain and simple.

If you go back and look at how that thread turned out, you'll see that I bit my tongue until OGG threw out his "I just sent an email to my industry contacts to do you professional damage" email on GJ. That was crossing a huge line, and hiding between the shield of GJ just doesn't cut it - MWGL can't work if people do shit like that, one way or another, just because they only discuss it at GJ. And I felt it was important that MWGLers know what kind of man they were dealing with. As noted, if I had my time back, I'd have addressed this with the mods over PM; I was angry, and snapped out. I hope to have learned that lesson.

And I guarantee you 100% that I'd have defended yourself or OGG or anyone else had those circumstances been on the other foot.

As for you... you clearly don't like me, and I've gotten a handful of passive-aggressive anonymous "disapproval" notices from forumites who lack the transparency, etc., to speak their minds. I know where I stand. But I've been posting here about as long as everyone else, contribute about as much as most, and I feel I have as much a right to be here as anyone until Mark tells me otherwise, and I've returned to air things out. I don't know if I'll stick around, but if I don't, it won't be because of cliques and bullying. I have lots of friends here.
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You're an asshole, but you already know that. :tongue:

I agree, the whole "I'm going to call your boss/ruin you in real life" thing is really out of line. OGG is not the first person I've seen threaten to do it or actually do it, but it always smacks of crazy scorched-earth butthurt. I mean, really!

As someone else pointed out, in real life most of these things would have gone outside to the parking lot or gotten busted up by the bouncers long before they got to the point of people calling bosses or wives.
 
Flamencology.... I'm sorry I referenced your illness in my rant. It was misplaced.

Please leave anything regarding OGG out of this discussion as he's no longer here to defend himself and/or rebut any differences the two of you have.


My number one beef with you is your online persona waffles back and forth between professorial debating and button pushing argument starter. When the button pushing turns into a shit-storm, you fall back on the "I was trying to have an open debate" schtick. The plain and simple truth is the shit storms haven't happened in your absence. I'm not saying your the only one who causes them, but I for one am fed up with the fake bullshit. I know that the term "fake" came up in one of the other arguments you had with OGG, but as I stated above, that is between you and he and off the table as far as I'm concerned.

You can save your olive branch... until your attitude changes in regards to how you treat other people on this forum, I have no interest.
 
I look it at this way, I try to get along with everyone. I may or might not agree with their opinions or viewpoints, but there are going to be people that disagree with mine.

Take me as I am or don't take me at all. I couldn't give a fuck less if you don't
 
baimun said:
Flamencology.... I'm sorry I referenced your illness in my rant. It was misplaced.

Please leave anything regarding OGG out of this discussion as he's no longer here to defend himself and/or rebut any differences the two of you have.


My number one beef with you is your online persona waffles back and forth between professorial debating and button pushing argument starter. When the button pushing turns into a shit-storm, you fall back on the "I was trying to have an open debate" schtick. The plain and simple truth is the shit storms haven't happened in your absence. I'm not saying your the only one who causes them, but I for one am fed up with the fake bullshit. I know that the term "fake" came up in one of the other arguments you had with OGG, but as I stated above, that is between you and he and off the table as far as I'm concerned.

You can save your olive branch... until your attitude changes in regards to how you treat other people on this forum, I have no interest.
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OGG isn't here for a reason; he acted like a psycho and was asked to leave. It's not my problem that he isn't here to defend myself, he dug that grave over and over again.

A month or two before the shitstorm, he attacked me personally and without solicitation or provocation. I defended myself but did not respond in kind. Anyone can look it up for themselves.

Subsequently, this is the text of a PM I was sent by a moderator:

Don't mind that bozo, not sure exactly how big the stick up OGG's ass is, but I suspect something from the sequoia family. He has flipped out about threads before on important issues like iOS devices, his sister's deli business, and bolt on neck guitars, with similar vitriol to that which you received. The guy seems unbalanced sometimes. I probably should have just temp banned the guy, but I was trying to diffuse things. Anyway, I like having you over here, and I think a lot of HCGJ regulars do as well, regardless of the up status of HCGJ. Don't let a few 'touchy', or perhaps 'touched' people steer you away.
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Like Frank Prince likes to remind me, I'm an asshole. But that's a whole other thing than the shit that OGG brought up, and which you were all to willing to accept and to use to call for me to be banned.

I accept your apology, and I'll certainly try to be more careful with people who don't enjoy argument for its own sake, but I can also accept that you don't like me and not lose sleep over it, just like you can deal with my being here without having to like it.
 
Look, at any given moment there are threads that might piss me off. I just don't participate in those. There are a few forumites that I don't particularly care for. You can choose to allow it or them to ruin your day, or not.
 
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