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335clone said:
That website is so full of shit. It rates Jerry Rice admitting to using stickum on his gloves, which pretty much every receiver did, much worse that Spygate, for which Bellichick and the Pats were fined nearly a million dollars for. There is absolutely no standard that the issues were rated against. And the FAQ's make clear that the author is clearly hiding some bias. But hey, if it makes Pats fans feel good about their team, you go girls!
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Did you read the 2nd website post below regarding the first website? It mentions that yes a Pats booster would like that site. But the second site is not for Pats Boosters and states the same shit!

Are you a Pats hater? I have accepted the allegations and am not defending my team. I am merely stating that all teams cheat. In regards to Jerry Rice, yes many receivers used stick em. Was Jerry persecuted for it like the league has towards the Pats? Look at the Antonio Brown incident earlier in the year? Not that he is no longer a Pat, no one cares. When Brown was with the Steelers, the issues weren't blown like when he joined that Pats. All of the sexual allegations that came up with the Pats that were done years before he joined them, why bring it to the forefront after joining the Pats and not when he was with the Steelers?

Regarding Spygate, Mangini was the one who called them on it and was a former Pats coach the year before. Look at what he says....

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https://www.boston.com/sports/new-e.../spygate-rams-walkthrough-patriots-super-bowl
 
VoidTerraFirma said:
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I will wait for the NFL ruling on this. Sadly the guy who was doing the video recording was following the day of the Pats scout and chose to video what the scout was seeing. If it was 8 minutes, so be it but it was confiscated. It was also recorded from the press box which is where the illegal part comes into play as that is not allowed for any team.

There are designated areas where teams can legally record other teams but the press box is not one of them.
 
Modern Saint said:
What cracks me up about the Naysayers is that the Pats acknowledged the recording. It was done unintentional as it was part of the series done for Pats fans called "Let's Go!". But since it is the Pats, all the haters turn it into a witch hunt and negate the details.

Patriots admit they violated NFL policy by shooting video of Bengals’ sideline

The New England Patriots acknowledged Monday that they violated NFL policy when a video crew working for them shot footage of the field and the Cincinnati Bengals’ sideline during the Bengals-Browns game Sunday in Cleveland.

The Patriots’ admission came in a written statement released Monday night while the league was in the process of reviewing the video. It was not immediately clear what punishment, if any, the Patriots will face from the NFL. The league declined to comment Monday night.

“We understand and acknowledge that our video crew, which included independent contractors who shot the video, unknowingly violated a league policy by filming the field and sideline from the press box,” the Patriots said in the statement.


The video crew had been credentialed by the Browns, according to the Patriots, to shoot an online feature on a scout who was attending the game. The feature was part of an online series of “Do Your Job” episodes that also has included day-in-the-life features on members of the Patriots’ training and equipment staffs, the team said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...shot-by-patriots-staffer-bengals-browns-game/


Even the Tweet posted early does not go into detail. Where is the detail about the incident?

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For what it is worth, the video recording was confiscated by the NFL and is currently under review by the league office.
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are we "haters" for calling out a franchise that's been caught cheating, repeatedly, for literally doing the same thing that they've already been busted for?
 
Guitar Heel said:
are we "haters" for calling out a franchise that's been caught cheating, repeatedly, for literally doing the same thing that they've already been busted for?
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And really, if the Pats were trying to cheat, were they going to say "yep, you caught us." Of course they were going to deny any wrong doing.
 
Modern Saint said:
Did you read the 2nd website post below regarding the first website? It mentions that yes a Pats booster would like that site. But the second site is not for Pats Boosters and states the same shit!

Are you a Pats hater? I have accepted the allegations and am not defending my team. I am merely stating that all teams cheat. In regards to Jerry Rice, yes many receivers used stick em. Was Jerry persecuted for it like the league has towards the Pats? Look at the Antonio Brown incident earlier in the year? Not that he is no longer a Pat, no one cares. When Brown was with the Steelers, the issues weren't blown like when he joined that Pats. All of the sexual allegations that came up with the Pats that were done years before he joined them, why bring it to the forefront after joining the Pats and not when he was with the Steelers?

Regarding Spygate, Mangini was the one who called them on it and was a former Pats coach the year before. Look at what he says....

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https://www.boston.com/sports/new-e.../spygate-rams-walkthrough-patriots-super-bowl
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Given the fact that any ranking of cheating scandals is totally arbitrary, unless we monetize it and tally the fines and assign a value to different rounds of draft picks forfeited, its a hard argument to have.

Lets move to Brown. You are conveniently ignoring his stint with the Raiders, when it became glaringly obvious just how far off the rails he has become. As I said at the time (before he was picked up by the Pats) that the Pats would grab him, because they have surpassed the Raiders in bottom feeding. Sure enough, the Pats were more than willing to take him, until they weren't. They knew what a hot mess he is, so lets cut the "nobody cared until it was with the Pats" bullshit. He was a laughing stock when the Steelers traded him, and most observers thought "figures, the Raiders will take him".

I do not like the Pats, this is true. But they are AFC and my team is NFC, so it really doesn't matter what I think about them, as we rarely play each other. So I guess you could call me a casual hater if need be.

And frankly, you are and have been defending your team for years, right here. Thats ok, we all do it. You have just been busier than fans of the other 31 teams. The fault rests squarely on the Pats.
 
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Guitar Heel said:
are we "haters" for calling out a franchise that's been caught cheating, repeatedly, for literally doing the same thing that they've already been busted for?
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As I mentioned before, all teams cheat!!!

Every team has been caught. Just the Pats are the ones who have been made examples of.

Why are the Patriots the main target???
 
Modern Saint said:
As I mentioned before, all teams cheat!!!

Every team has been caught. Just the Pats are the ones who have been made examples of.

Why are the Patriots the main target???
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you want me to say it's because you always win. and yes, that's why. people are suspicious when a team wins so consistently and has been caught cheating three times now that I know of. so yeah.
 
Modern Saint said:
As I mentioned before, all teams cheat!!!

Every team has been caught. Just the Pats are the ones who have been made examples of.

Why are the Patriots the main target???
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If all things were even (which they are not), I would highlight the brazen arrogance of the Pats, and their self described MASSHOLE fans.

This is not meant to be an attack on you Randy, just to be clear.
 
Won't wade into the super sophisticated discussion about how a billion dollar enterprise is supposed to cover their eyes as people do stuff in front of 65,000 ... (oops, forgot, Bengals/Browns so ... 25,000?) people.

I'm more interested in the game.

Saying that officiating quality is related to the number of challenges is pointedly stupid. We're not talking about challenges.

We're talking about enjoying football games. It's tough to do when the officials are incompetent. Since I don't buy into any conspiracy theory about them favoring certain teams, I don't think it's a partisan issue, unless you have a strange fantasy that Roger Goodell is lurking and going to give you his approval for being A Company Guy.

The refs are bad. The league keeps doing everything except the one thing they should: have a replay official who can simply correct missed calls.
 
I don't think the Refs are bad, at least not for the most part. It's a very fast game with lots of moving pieces, so it's highly likely that they will miss things that are glaringly obvious with 16 camera angles, super slo-mo, etc...

Yes, the league & owners need to fix the replay issue once and for all. They tried, but you cant review every play. There will always be things the refs just cant see. Seems this season the league focus is preventing the defense from violating the personal space of offensive players. Maybe next year they will "fix" the replay/review rules to everyones satisfaction. Or not.
 
shoeless said:
Ron Rivera announced as Redskins head coach in 3...2...
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I haven't seen his name come up. Eric Bieniemy and the Stanford coach are the names I've seen. Rivera is a defensive coach, which Snyder has not gone for yet, other than Marty. Spurrier, Gibbs, Zorn, Shanahan all offensive coaches. Even Callahan is an offensive guy. Maybe Dan will want to shake it up a bit, who knows.
 
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