At the local Ferrari dealer getting an oil change...some cool cars.

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Just snapped a few quick pictures of some cars at the local dealership. I thought some here might think there were some cool things in the shop. I didn't take any pictures of the new part of the dealer, just the restoration shop, work shop, and their used offerings. There was an F50 getting a new nose and some racing slicks, so I snapped a pic. My 612 is up on the rack in one of the middle pics.

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I have to go back in a couple of weeks to have a small relay replaced that had to be ordered from the factory. When I go back I am going to try to get some more picture of the cars.

The background of the pics I posted give some idea of what is there. You can see some really rare stuff in the place if you really look closely.
 
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All new cars? Yours seems to be he only one with a number plate.

In Switzerland it is possible to register multiple cars on the same number plate, and the plates actually fit in quick disconnect brackets so they can easily be removed and put on another vehicle. It is much cheaper to register a car this way if you have multiple vehicles than to have a dedicated plate for each car.

So, people dropping off their cars for service will often take the plates with them to attach to their normal daily driver car. Taking the plate with you is a good idea even for an oil change/service, which is a two (or more) day process in Ferrari land depending on what they want to inspect for wear. More serious issues often require a week or two of garage time. Ferrari factory mechanics are very good, incredibly thorough, but not fast, and certainly not cheap.

I registered my Ferrari on a new plate so I have two cars and two different plates, that way I can drive to work and my wife can have the wagon to drive as well.

Some of those cars are also used cars for sale, or new cars for sale, or owned cars in storage post service, etc.
 
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Just now seeing this thread. Jeez, Louise.

The last photo is great. You have a competition Daytona, two street Daytonas, a 512BB, two 365 GT 2+2s, and a 330 GTC.

The blue Daytona and the silver 330 GTC would be my picks of everything in these photos.

Thanks for posting, please keep sharing this kind of stuff.
 
What does one pay for a two day oil change at a Ferrari dealer? I'm guessing that's well out of jiffylube territory :wink:
 
What does one pay for a two day oil change at a Ferrari dealer? I'm guessing that's well out of jiffylube territory :wink:

The service interval for this trip includes an oil change, trans fluid change, differential fluid change, and brake fluid change, plus timing belt inspection and cam and clutch adjustments and some other miscellaneous stuff. The total was 2760 Swiss francs (same as USD). I guess that is way off Jiffy Lube pricing.

Of course, there are two oil filters, two air filters, two trans fluid filters, and so on, plus everything is dry sump and has a cooler associated with it, so the car holds like 14 quarts of oil, 12 quarts of transmission fluid, and so on. This is the major service that comes every 10,000 km, and not the typical annual service which is around 1600 CHF.
 
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The service interval for this trip includes an oil change, trans fluid change, differential fluid change, and brake fluid change, plus timing belt inspection and cam and clutch adjustments and some other miscellaneous stuff. The total was 2760 Swiss francs (same as USD). I guess that is way off Jiffy Lube pricing.

Of course, there are two oil filters, two air filters, two trans fluid filters, and so on, plus everything is dry sump and has a cooler associated with it, so the car holds like 14 quarts of oil, 12 quarts of transmission fluid, and so on. This is the major service that comes every 10,000 km, and not the typical annual service which is around 1600 CHF.
I put 10,000km on my car every 5-6 weeks. So the service would cost me around 30,000 a year. Time to get out the wrenches.
 
I put 10,000km on my car every 5-6 weeks. So the service would cost me around 30,000 a year. Time to get out the wrenches.

This is why every knucklehead on youtube asking "Can you daily drive a Ferrari" is wasting your time. No. You can't. Not if you follow the real service guidelines for these cars. It becomes insanely expensive if you use them for more than a toy. Frankly, they are impractical to take places anyway.

I have a normal station wagon for driving around town and doing mundane stuff. I own one of the most practical Ferraris, and it is still long, low, and wide, much more in every dimension than a normal car (It is actually longer and wider than our C class station wagon), so parking it is hard. Forget about drive up windows, you are too low. It gets 9 mpg around town if you drive it conservatively, so it isn't going to save you money there. It also needs to warm up to operating temp before you can really drive it, so it will add like 10 minutes onto any trip you are going to take just getting it to temp. It is stupid loud so you have to consider waking up the neighborhood when you decide to drive it. It also has two different sized unidirectional tires front and rear and it eats the very expensive pirellis like candy, especially the rears. So, A Ferrari is the least practical driving implement one can imagine. It is up there with a vintage steam car in practicality. The only thing that makes any of this worth while is the smile you get from listening to a real, naturally aspirated V12 howling as you drive it. It is fast, agile and fun, and those are really the only strengths of the thing.

I would be afraid to wrench on it myself. My technical skills end at changing the oil on my old Ford Mustang. A Ferrari is a different thing, with tons of technology and everyday shit jammed together in a dense network of bits. Packaging on these things is a work of art/Italian madness. You want to change the spark plugs? Well, the intake manifold has to come off. You need to do a cam sensor swap, you are changing the radiator hoses and taking off the water pump too. The service intervals are expensive and complicated as if you are going to pay a guy 200 bucks an hour to take off the water pump during the cam belt swap, you might as well replace it with a new one as part of the effort. One could maintain a car for less by skipping some of the suggestions, but I wouldn't say skipping that water pump swap on an all aluminum motor is a good idea. One can also just inspect the timing belts and say they look fine, but that might not be a great choice for an interference engine. I see dudes on youtube wth basket case auction F360's doing shade tree work figuring out how to make them run again, and that is cool if fixing exotic cars and the tech aspects is your passion, but it isn't mine.

I know just enough about cars to be dangerous under the hood of one. There also isn't a massive network of youtube videos and troubleshooting guides for my Ferrari, as it is a rare second generation model of an already rare (obscure might be a better term) model. They made 3025 of the series in total, and the second generation car's total production is around 150 cars. The Ferrari dealership manager told me this was only the second of this model he has ever seen in their dealership. So, if I brake something fucking around with a wrench under there, it is probably going to be very expensive and there is no real online help to figure it out.

And I love it and everything about it.
 
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Just now seeing this thread. Jeez, Louise.

The last photo is great. You have a competition Daytona, two street Daytonas, a 512BB, two 365 GT 2+2s, and a 330 GTC.

The blue Daytona and the silver 330 GTC would be my picks of everything in these photos.

Thanks for posting, please keep sharing this kind of stuff.

In the restoration shop (the back room of the pic with the Daytonas) they had a 500 TRC getting a transmission rebuild. Talk about rare stuff.
 
This is why every knucklehead on youtube asking "Can you daily drive a Ferrari" is wasting your time. No. You can't. Not if you follow the real service guidelines for these cars. It becomes insanely expensive if you use them for more than a toy. Frankly, they are impractical to take places anyway.

I have a normal station wagon for driving around town and doing mundane stuff. I own one of the most practical Ferraris, and it is still long, low, and wide, much more in every dimension than a normal car (It is actually longer and wider than our C class station wagon), so parking it is hard. Forget about drive up windows, you are too low. It gets 9 mpg around town if you drive it conservatively, so it isn't going to save you money there. It also needs to warm up to operating temp before you can really drive it, so it will add like 10 minutes onto any trip you are going to take just getting it to temp. It is stupid loud so you have to consider waking up the neighborhood when you decide to drive it. It also has two different sized unidirectional tires front and rear and it eats the very expensive pirellis like candy, especially the rears. So, A Ferrari is the least practical driving implement one can imagine. It is up there with a vintage steam car in practicality. The only thing that makes any of this worth while is the smile you get from listening to a real, naturally aspirated V12 howling as you drive it. It is fast, agile and fun, and those are really the only strengths of the thing.

I would be afraid to wrench on it myself. My technical skills end at changing the oil on my old Ford Mustang. A Ferrari is a different thing, with tons of technology and everyday shit jammed together in a dense network of bits. Packaging on these things is a work of art/Italian madness. You want to change the spark plugs? Well, the intake manifold has to come off. You need to do a cam sensor swap, you are changing the radiator hoses and taking off the water pump too. The service intervals are expensive and complicated as if you are going to pay a guy 200 bucks an hour to take off the water pump during the cam belt swap, you might as well replace it with a new one as part of the effort. One could maintain a car for less by skipping some of the suggestions, but I wouldn't say skipping that water pump swap on an all aluminum motor is a good idea. One can also just inspect the timing belts and say they look fine, but that might not be a great choice for an interference engine. I see dudes on youtube wth basket case auction F360's doing shade tree work figuring out how to make them run again, and that is cool if fixing exotic cars and the tech aspects is your passion, but it isn't mine.

I know just enough about cars to be dangerous under the hood of one. There also isn't a massive network of youtube videos and troubleshooting guides for my Ferrari, as it is a rare second generation model of an already rare (obscure might be a better term) model. They made 3025 of the series in total, and the second generation car's total production is around 150 cars. The Ferrari dealership manager told me this was only the second of this model he has ever seen in their dealership. So, if I brake something fucking around with a wrench under there, it is probably going to be very expensive and there is no real online help to figure it out.

And I love it and everything about it.

I don’t think you should feel like you have to justify yourself. Everyone has different interests and how they want to spend their time and money. Though, It is interesting how relative it is. Friend of a friend dailies a huracan, year round in PA..including driving it in the snow and salt bathed roads. Dealer services the car (they’ll even pick it up and drop it back off on a rollback). He’s got something like 8 other supercars and a couple ridiculous family cars. He’s in a position that cost isn’t a deciding factor. Not a bad problem to have, I suppose.
 
I don’t think you should feel like you have to justify yourself. Everyone has different interests and how they want to spend their time and money. Though, It is interesting how relative it is. Friend of a friend dailies a huracan, year round in PA..including driving it in the snow and salt bathed roads. Dealer services the car (they’ll even pick it up and drop it back off on a rollback). He’s got something like 8 other supercars and a couple ridiculous family cars. He’s in a position that cost isn’t a deciding factor. Not a bad problem to have, I suppose.

Wow, that is crazy. I guess the AWD makes that kind of manageable in the winter, well, that and some extra zeros on the paycheck. My car can't drive up a wet hill in cold weather.

I don't really feel like I have to justify myself at all. I was just sharing this because it is all very surreal to me as a noob semi-exotic car owner. I thought people might enjoy hearing about how weird it all is. At the end of the day, we are talking about a decade old car that I bought for fun, so it isn't in the same ballpark as regular Ferrari people, and that is why I thought people might like to hear about it from an outsider perspective.
 
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I certainly was not putting you in position to justify your car choice. I made choices in my life that put me in a non-Ferrari wage class. I was merely observing how much it would cost me based on my driving habits to own one. Yours is a beautiful car and I'm glad you got something you wanted and I hope you enjoy it for a long time.
 
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