OK, I'll go there.....Ray Rice....NFL/Ravens suspension.

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First and foremost, I am NOT condoning Ray Rice, nor do I disagree that he ought to be tossed out on his ass by the NFL/Ravens.

Guy is obviously a scum-bag who has issues. And we have probably ALL seen/heard about his issues at this point.

BUT........How is this not a legal issue vs an issue where he loses his job?

If he is not going to jail (and it appears he isn't), who is the NFL to say he can't play? In other words that he has lost his job?

Again, I am not condoning his actions, he obviously has some serious fucking issues.

Guess I need some clarification on WHY the NFL has jurisdiction where the legal system doesn't?

:hmm:


Again, IMO (and the whole world's), the guy is a douche-nozzle, but should that necessarily predicate that he loses the ability to land a job, if the legal/judicial system says he is OK after some counseling?


Discuss? (yeah, I know..."disgust")
 
His job is based on a contract, and obviously I haven't read it but it must have a clause that allows the team to terminate him if he does something so heinous that they feel the PR damage to the team outweighs his contributions on the field.

And the fact that he isn't going to jail isn't much of a point in his favor. He is avoiding jail by participating in some program that allows first-time offenders to participate in some kind of counseling... it isn't like he was acquitted.
 
Plenty of people get fired every day for doing things that aren't criminal (although assault is criminal), and sometimes they are banned from ever working for that organization again. Most of them aren't covered by ESPN.
 
Speaking just for myself, I'm more interested in the DA's reasoning on this.

Or, to be more direct, I'd like to know if there are other domestic violence cases with strong evidence where the DA decided counselling was good enough.
 
USian Pie said:
Speaking just for myself, I'm more interested in the DA's reasoning on this.

Or, to be more direct, I'd like to know if there are other domestic violence cases with strong evidence where the DA decided counselling was good enough.
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A fist full of $100s will do that to a DA...
 
NFL contracts are full of stuff that could get you fired whether criminal charges are filed or not.

I seem to remember a few years ago Ben Roethlesberger (sp?) got into some heat for riding a motorcycle during the off season. Riding a motorcycle certainly isn't illegal (provided you have the endorsement on your license and all the insurance, etc).

Still, I don't see how this thing could not have some kind of criminal charge.
 
I would like to express my gratitude to the people who posted in this thread for not letting it get ugly.

I mean that, too. Thanks.

Again, while the discussion could be seen as controversial, the subject matter sure isn't.

And my only other question would be if there is a "morality" clause in his NFL contract, who decides what is moral?

He's not being charged as a criminal, and he's done his "time" *ahem* by completing his court-ordered counseling sessions........you see where I am going with this......

Who decides what is moral, etc...?

Now, some kind of "defamation" clause, that I totally get...but again, it isn't like the Ravens (and the NFL in general) are known for their squeaky-clean image or anything.....
 
Elias Graves said:
A fist full of $100s will do that to a DA...
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While it's not impossible that some pro$ecutorial di$cretion was involved, more likely it was based on a combination of (1) an apparently uncooperative victim/witness (no implication here, but she was charged herself so was probably hostile to LE, initially publicly apologized for "her role" in the incident and is posting things today like "we continue to show the world what real love is"), and (2) the difficulties inherent in convicting a celebrity (OJ etc.). I haven't followed closely, so it's not clear to me whether the DA had the elevator tape--if so, it's of course harder to swallow the diversion to anger management etc.; if not, then not having that clear evidence would have also factored into the decision to divert.

Coralkong said:
And my only other question would be if there is a "morality" clause in his NFL contract, who decides what is moral?

He's not being charged as a criminal, and he's done his "time" *ahem* by completing his court-ordered counseling sessions........you see where I am going with this......

Who decides what is moral, etc...?

Now, some kind of "defamation" clause, that I totally get...but again, it isn't like the Ravens (and the NFL in general) are known for their squeaky-clean image or anything.....
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Morals clauses are often very one-sided in favor of the party being protected and can be very subjective. "Company can terminate Employee if Employee breaks the law, commits an act of moral turpitude or otherwise engages in behavior that Company, in its sole and absolute discretion, determines is detrimental or injurious to Company's reputation, business or prospects." If the employee feels that he or she has been improperly terminated, recourse is through grievance under a CBA or the like and/or through the courts. That's a tough road to hoe due to the (usual) inherent subjectivity of the beast.
 
Pro players are required to be All-American do-gooders who tell kids to brush their teeth and stay in school. They're forced to represent guiding lights for hero worship and Wheaties. They're not allowed to enjoy porn, smack their wives around, or raise pitbulls for gaming. It reflects badly on an organization that forgets it's players after they're put out to pasture with arthritis and brain damage.
 
Coralkong said:
BUT........How is this not a legal issue vs an issue where he loses his job?

If he is not going to jail (and it appears he isn't), who is the NFL to say he can't play? In other words that he has lost his job?

Again, I am not condoning his actions, he obviously has some serious fucking issues.

Guess I need some clarification on WHY the NFL has jurisdiction where the legal system doesn't?
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Someone has to file charges against him which would be his then girlfriend/wife. Apparently she has not filed a lawsuit against him.

The NFL only has the right to terminate his employment with the league.
 
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