Fender Bandmaster update with clips and new pics

Discussion in 'The Loudhouse' started by telecaster911, Jan 24, 2009.

    Jan 24, 2009
  1. Today I tore into the bandmaster. I did some housekeeping inside the amp. One of the heater wires on a power tube was not soldered to the pin. If these are the original sockets, and it looks like they are, then it was like that for the past 42 years, just through the hole and bent over. I also put a 1 ohm between the cathode and ground on both power tubes so that I could set the bias. I then sprayed all the pots and cleaned the jacks. A three prong line cord was next. Minor problem, the only line cord that I had is larger in diameter, so when I get a chance, I need to open up the plastic strain relief. I couldn't get it to close around the cord enough to get it through the chassis hole. I put a zip tie around the cord on the inside for now. I cleaned up the head cabinet and the faceplate and knobs. I haven't done anything with the hardware yet. The tubes are still the ones that I had lying around. Tubes coming soon.

    Here it is on top of my 2 12

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    Here's a wide angle.

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    Here are the clips. Just some random bad noodling, but this is about the amp's tone. Recorded totally dry, no post recording anything.

    Normal channel (which seems to have a bit more gain than the vibrato channel)

    volume 5 treb 5 bass 6
    http://hc.bloodyvelvet.com/files/129/vol%205%20treb%205%20bass%206.mp3

    volume 7
    http://hc.bloodyvelvet.com/files/129/vol%207%20treb%205%20bass%206.mp3

    volume 10
    http://hc.bloodyvelvet.com/files/129/vol%2010%20treb%205%20bass%206.mp3


    Vibrato channel

    volume 7 then 10 speed 5 intensity 4 initially, then up around 7 for both towards the end.
    http://hc.bloodyvelvet.com/files/129/vibrato%20channel%20vol%207%20then%2010%20treb%205%20bass%206%20spd%205%20int%204.mp3
     
  2. Jan 24, 2009
  3. Mark Wein :mad:

    Sweet! How do you like it? It seems cleaner than my '66 Bassman as you turn it up...
     
  4. Jan 24, 2009
  5. I'm liking it. It has a really cool Knopfler vibe. I haven't really had time to try it through my pedalboard. Around 6 on the volume is perfect (and pretty loud). 10 is too flubbery for me, but I didn't mess with the tone, just the volume. It might sound cleaner because of the VIN30s in that closed back cab...don't you have greenbacks? I wonder what it sounds like with the inputs jumpered?
     
  6. Jan 24, 2009
  7. Mark Wein :mad:

    I have the Greenbacks and Vintage 30s in another cab.. My Bassman isn't very clean or useful to me after 6 or so but I dig it at 3 or 4....those amps are a great clean canvas to build a sound on...
     
  8. Jan 24, 2009
  9. Tomorrow I will try to get a couple of clips other than guitar>cable>amp. I can't imagine gigging this thing over 3 or 4. 5 was loud, 7 was louder and more dirt, and 10 was just more dirt. FWIW, I never get to open up my Holland either, but even below the sweet spot, it still sounds killer with my board driving the front end. I can't imagine the BM sounding any worse. More clips to follow. AOK
     
  10. Jan 24, 2009
  11. Mark Wein :mad:

  12. Jan 24, 2009
  13. Ronk n00b

    Very nice man, that one clip sounds just like Riding with the King riff
     
  14. Jan 25, 2009
  15. I'll have to go find riding with the king to see which one you mean. I wasn't really trying to play anything really and most of the stuff that is recognizable, I hadn't played for years. biggrin Just cold noodling so you guys could hear this thing AOK It usually takes me about 15 minutes to warm up, and anytime I do I clip, I just turn on and go thwap
     
  16. Jan 25, 2009
  17. Ronk n00b

    The BB King / Clapton version - it's not exactly but the tone and riff are pretty close.
     
  18. Jan 25, 2009
  19. Ok here's the last clip I'll torture you guys with biggrin

    This is a stock strat plus into a barber tone press into a seymour duncan twin tube. The amp is on 3 volume wise (which would be a nice gig volume), the treble is 6 and the bass is 7. Various pickup combinations, you will know which ones when you hear them. None are the middle pickup. Again no post recording processing, reverb, or delay. Recorded totally dry except for the pedals listed in the chain. The 2 12 has 2 VIN30s in a closed back kind of rectifier clone cabinet.

    http://hc.bloodyvelvet.com/files/129/volume%20on%203%20treb%20on%206%20bass%20on%207%20thru%20twin%20tube%20classic.mp3
     
  20. Jan 25, 2009
  21. Ronk n00b

    Man, I think that thing sounds great - kinda wish I had one.
     
  22. Jan 25, 2009
  23. Mark Wein :mad:

    Glad you bought it now? biggrin poke
     
  24. Jan 25, 2009
  25. Jan 25, 2009
  26. Mark Wein :mad:

    AOK

    I always thought the Bandmasters were higher wattage than my Bassman, but I guess its lower and a more useful head...
     
  27. Jan 25, 2009
  28. I'm actually tossing around putting in 6V6's to lower it further. Another thought was to build a sweet little 2 10 combo, but again, these are just thoughts for the moment.
     
  29. Jan 25, 2009
  30. Mark Wein :mad:

    I would think the 6v6's would change the sound quite a bit....
     
  31. Jan 26, 2009
  32. I don't want to change the sound too much, I was looking to drop the wattage.
     
  33. Jan 26, 2009
  34. Prages User Error

    That thing cleaned up really well.

    The dog doesn't look impressed though. biggrin

    I'll try to get the clips downloaded this evening.
     
  35. Jan 26, 2009
  36. Mark Wein :mad:

    You're probably better off either using an attenuator like the THD hotplate or if you know how putting a master volume in it.

    I personally wouldn't mess with it. though smi
     
  37. Jan 26, 2009
  38. Prages User Error

    And as for jumping the two inputs, I tried it on my Bassman. If it's possible for a tone to be too big, that's what it was. It was just really, really robust, and I can't imagine it setting in any kind of mix.

    Granted, I didn't spend a whole lot of time playing with it jumpered. Maybe once I get my Direct Drive, I'll spend some more time experimenting.
     

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