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    You guys might be surprised. Houston Street is looking great.
    Street is a solid closer, though he is painful to watch. Not really a 1 - 2 - 3 kind of guy. Gets in and out of jams all the time. The issue is you have to be winning a game at the end in order for the closer to have much of an effect...
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    Jamie Moyer is the 8th most winningest lefty in the history of the game. I think he's almost a lock for HoF. What's amazing is he's been better after the age of 40 than any pitcher ever, and a class act taboot. I like the guy and wish him the best, he led the Phils in wins the year they won it all so he's got a special place in history for me.
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    Jamie Moyer is the 8th most winningest lefty in the history of the game. I think he's almost a lock for HoF. What's amazing is he's been better after the age of 40 than any pitcher ever, and a class act taboot. I like the guy and wish him the best, he led the Phils in wins the year they won it all so he's got a special place in history for me.
    that's just it. dude has a legit shot as it is. he's not a first balloter like Pedro Martinez, but he's not getting voted off so fast, especially as advanced metrics come into play. And put "300 Game Winner" in front of his name, and morons like Jon Heyman say "well hey, he's not my choice, but he won 300 games. sure, why not?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    that's just it. dude has a legit shot as it is. he's not a first balloter like Pedro Martinez, but he's not getting voted off so fast, especially as advanced metrics come into play. And put "300 Game Winner" in front of his name, and morons like Jon Heyman say "well hey, he's not my choice, but he won 300 games. sure, why not?"
    Yep. He has done more than enough to earn a spot. 300 wins/600 HRs/3000 hits seem to be the magic numbers for some guys...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denverdave View Post
    Yep. He has done more than enough to earn a spot. 300 wins/600 HRs/3000 hits seem to be the magic numbers for some guys...
    i've begun to realize over the past year that the writers who think that aren't baseball writers. they're gossip writers who happen to focus on baseball. they don't actually know anything about the game and what it takes to win. hmmm...maybe Jon Heyman is the WIN METHOD guy...
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    Serious bad news for padres fans...

    Moorad steps down as Padres' CEO

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    Serious bad news for padres fans...

    Moorad steps down as Padres' CEO
    Wasn't he supposed to become the new majority owner of the team?
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    ...probability that the Mets trade Wright?...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coda View Post
    ...probability that the Mets trade Wright?...
    depends on health and production. if he's healthy and productive, then 100%. if not, they pick up his option for next year and try and trade him then. same for Santana. likely stuck with Bay no matter what.

    the important thing in a trade like that (again, if he's healthy) is that it helps to build the farm system, which is ranked 16th by Fangraphs. the right pieces back along with a strong draft could move them as high as 10th by next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    depends on health and production. if he's healthy and productive, then 100%. if not, they pick up his option for next year and try and trade him then. same for Santana. likely stuck with Bay no matter what.

    the important thing in a trade like that (again, if he's healthy) is that it helps to build the farm system, which is ranked 16th by Fangraphs. the right pieces back along with a strong draft could move them as high as 10th by next year.
    ...I think Wright (if healthy) is the best trade bait they have. I dont think you could get enough for Santana to do what the Mets need to do (build the farm system, as you said)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coda View Post
    ...I think Wright (if healthy) is the best trade bait they have. I dont think you could get enough for Santana to do what the Mets need to do (build the farm system, as you said)...
    the problem with Santana is his contract. he's owed $55 million. but he's throwing freely and his velocity is coming back. if they're willing to provide substantial salary relief, he could actually net the most. i mean, who wouldn't want a healthy Johan Santana going into the postseason?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denverdave View Post
    Wasn't he supposed to become the new majority owner of the team?
    That was the plan, but MLB said no. Something to do with his working on the new TV contract and setting up the new Fox Sports San Diego Network. Because of MLB's interference, he has basically thrown in the towel. John Moores will now have to find a new buyer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OGG View Post
    That was the plan, but MLB said no. Something to do with his working on the new TV contract and setting up the new Fox Sports San Diego Network. Because of MLB's interference, he has basically thrown in the towel. John Moores will now have to find a new buyer.
    i think Bud didn't like him because he was an agent before becoming a part owner. and by throwing Moorad under the bus, he sends a signal to Scott Boras t put ideas of buying a team out of his head.

    but that's just my tin foil hat conspiracy theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    You would think a team owned by a uber rich fine art dealer would not have something as tacky as that in the stadium...
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    49 things you should know about Jamie Moyer...

    Some interesting facts in there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    i think Bud didn't like him because he was an agent before becoming a part owner. and by throwing Moorad under the bus, he sends a signal to Scott Boras t put ideas of buying a team out of his head.

    but that's just my tin foil hat conspiracy theory.
    Well then please send a time and location of the next Tin Foil Hat Club meeting, because I think there is a great deal of truth in that theory. The local sports media types have all pretty much said the same thing...

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    49 things you should know about Jamie Moyer...

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    50. Jamie Moyer also owns a very successful Auto Glass Replacement Company in the Seattle area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OGG View Post
    Well then please send a time and location of the next Tin Foil Hat Club meeting, because I think there is a great deal of truth in that theory. The local sports media types have all pretty much said the same thing...
    i'm not much of a fan of "local sports media types". then again, my "local sports media types" are Jon Heyman, Mike Lupica, and Joel Sherman. they're not baseball columnists, they're gossip writers.
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    holy shit, Magic Johnson (and his group) just bought the Dodgers for $2 BILLION.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    holy shit, Magic Johnson (and his group) just bought the Dodgers for $2 BILLION.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?...s_mlb&c_id=mlb
    I heard that this morning. I think they are on freakin' drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denverdave View Post
    I heard that this morning. I think they are on freakin' drugs.
    they must be, McCourt gets to keep the parking lots.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    they must be, McCourt gets to keep the parking lots.
    Seriously? Then the buyers are idiots. For that kind of coin McCourt should have nothing.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denverdave View Post
    Seriously? Then the buyers are idiots. For that kind of coin McCourt should have nothing.....
    technically, it will be a joint venture with the new ownership group. still, he keeps is dick in the apple pie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    technically, it will be a joint venture with the new ownership group. still, he keeps is dick in the apple pie.
    McCourt is a tool. He did his level best to destroy the Dodgers and use them as his personal ATM. Granted, not having the Dodgers at their competitive best was nice as a Rockies fan, but bad for baseball.
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    How did the value of the Bums quadruple in 6 years? Didn't he buy them in 06 for ~450M?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 335clone View Post
    How did the value of the Bums quadruple in 6 years? Didn't he buy them in 06 for ~450M?
    Yeah - 400M to 450M. But in 2004. Still.... That is what has me scratching my head as well. Especially since the actual team is less healthy baseball player wise than it was when he bought them.
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    I simply do not understand where they got $2 billion for that team... frankly I'm astounded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FenderPusher View Post
    I simply do not understand where they got $2 billion for that team... frankly I'm astounded.
    It went to the highest bidder. Personally, I thought they'd get $1.5 billion.
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    Well - apparently the Rockies only have a limited amount of room on the team for older players. Casey Blake got cut. Meaning they now have a gaping black hole at 3rd base this season until Nolan Arenado works his way up from AA ball (probably July - August barring any unforseen issues).

    But it does appear Moyer has a good shot to make the team. A lot will depend on the minor league options of the other #5 starter candidates. Moyer has looked good all spring. The others - not so good.

    Plus Moyer has been mentoring the younger pitchers in camp quite a bit.
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    just finished the RA Dickey book. it's as much a book about baseball as it is about faith, perseverance, and a long inner struggle.

    i dunno if it's possible to root harder for the guy, but this book compels me to. good read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    just finished the RA Dickey book. it's as much a book about baseball as it is about faith, perseverance, and a long inner struggle.

    i dunno if it's possible to root harder for the guy, but this book compels me to. good read.
    I may have to read that one....
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    Nothing official announced, but it looks like Moyer will be in the starting rotation for the Rockies. The only question right now is his ability to start every five days. The Rocks want to limit the number of innings Pomeranz pitches this year since he only pitched 115 innings last year so Moyer will need to be the #4 starter - at least until Delarosa get back in late June.
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    Absolutely classless move by a former Rocky....

    http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/baseball/m...2_a9&eref=sihp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denverdave View Post
    Absolutely classless move by a former Rocky....

    http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/baseball/m...2_a9&eref=sihp
    he's no Jose Mesa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    he's no Jose Mesa.
    And the idiot does this with Selig in the crowd....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denverdave View Post
    And the idiot does this with Selig in the crowd....
    i'd be surprised if Bud even saw it.
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    i posted a video of it on the previous page.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FenderPusher View Post
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    Do you get bonus runs if you take out one of the marlins or flamingos with a home run?
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    Giants extend Matt Cain. 5 years, something around $100 million.

    Reds and Joey Votto working on a $200 million deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    Giants extend Matt Cain. 5 years, something around $100 million.

    Reds and Joey Votto working on a $200 million deal.
    DAMN IT! The Cain thing..... I was hoping he would leave the Giants. Now the Rockies have to keep facing the bastard. I keep expecting Lincecum to break because the dude is so skinny, but Cain is likely to be just as nasty for the next 5 years.

    The Votto thing - that would probably be a nine or ten years extension and he already has two more years on his contract. And he is 28 now. I like Votto a lot, but that is a long extension to give a guy who will be 30 when it kicks in...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denverdave View Post
    DAMN IT! The Cain thing..... I was hoping he would leave the Giants. Now the Rockies have to keep facing the bastard. I keep expecting Lincecum to break because the dude is so skinny, but Cain is likely to be just as nasty for the next 5 years.

    The Votto thing - that would probably be a nine or ten years extension and he already has two more years on his contract. And he is 28 now. I like Votto a lot, but that is a long extension to give a guy who will be 30 when it kicks in...
    i read this morning that Votto will be a Red for 12 more years and $225 million. he has Fielder and Pujols to thank for that contract.

    the good news on the Cain deal is that it forces the Phillies to let Hole Camels walk, or offer him CJ Wilson type money. if he walks, the Phillies get worse. and if he signs, they have less money to spend on the gaping holes in their organization. even if they win, they lose. this could be the last year of the Philly dynasty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    the good news on the Cain deal is that it forces the Phillies to let Hole Camels walk, or offer him CJ Wilson type money. if he walks, the Phillies get worse. and if he signs, they have less money to spend on the gaping holes in their organization. even if they win, they lose. this could be the last year of the Philly dynasty.
    Hamels and Zach Grinke's agents will be sending the Giants thank you cards soon. Their FA contracts next year each just got about a 20 - 30 million dollar boost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denverdave View Post
    Hamels and Zach Grinke's agents will be sending the Giants thank you cards soon. Their FA contracts next year each just got about a 20 - 30 million dollar boost.
    yep. i expect at least one of them to go to the AL. maybe even Hamels to the Yankees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    yep. i expect at least one of them to go to the AL. maybe even Hamels to the Yankees.
    That will depend on how the new Yankee pitchers do this season. They have a pretty decent rotation right now. The Dodgers will almost HAVE to make a major move for one of those two in order to get a starting rotation to challenge the Giants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denverdave View Post
    That will depend on how the new Yankee pitchers do this season. They have a pretty decent rotation right now. The Dodgers will almost HAVE to make a major move for one of those two in order to get a starting rotation to challenge the Giants.
    true, but they're not stupid and would dump Garcia in favor of Hamels if they can. also, Kuroda's contract is only for one year and they'll need to shuffle the bullpen after Rivera retires.
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    At least you guys are honest and realize the Giants are THE team to beat this year.

    And don't worry so much about Cain and lincicum ,they will continue to do what they do.

    This is the guy to be worrying about.

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    the Giants have the best pitching in a weak division. but they need to score some runs and make Brandon Belt an everyday player. it's at least a two team race in the West, and the Dodgers could make it a three team race.

    Sorry Dave, but the Rockies are not that second team.
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    At least you guys are honest and realize the Giants are THE team to beat this year.

    And don't worry so much about Cain and lincicum ,they will continue to do what they do.

    This is the guy to be worrying about.

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    Sure, you need an interpreter to interview him, but the K's will speak for themselves.
    No - they are a pitching staff to be reckoned with. When Melky Cabrera and Angel Pagan are your offensive upgrades you will still have major issues scoring runs. They would be a scary team if they got some offense going.
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