Post gig ruminations....

[Mark Wein]

So I've played a few gigs with the Warmoth and Bassman. The Warmoth still needs neck adjustment but I'll do that today. The Bassman is pretty loud for what I'm doing and I think I might have a speaker wired out of phase or something. I might tear the cab apart this week and rewire it.

This morning I started wondering if the problem with my Deluxe was only in the reverb channel so I'm doing to set everything up this week and teach classes with my pedalboard going into the normal channel and see what that sounds like and if it craps out there, too.

When I got to the gig on Saturday I spent a little time programming a washy and mostly imperceptible delay patch that gave a little depth to my tone without cluttering it up. The reverb pedal (which you would think would be perfect for this) doesn't seem to take the edge off of the hard attack of the guitar...kind of hard to explain but this really helped without being obvious....


One thing about the Warmoth with the hotter Suhr pickups is that the guitar hits the front end of everything a lot harder than my Suhr classic with the more "vintage" style pickups...where I used to stack multiple drive pedals to get sounds now I'm mostly running one pedal at a time. The Warmoth sounds way better with my Deluxe in my office, too. I'm playing Friday and Saturday this week and I'd like to get some things settled by then.

[Mark Wein]

Also, if I thought I could get enough money for it I'd consider selling the bassman but I don't think the return would net me enough cash to buy a worthwhile replacement.

[Chad]

What kind of cab are you running with the bassman? 2x12?

[Mark Wein]

What kind of cab are you running with the bassman? 2x12?

Yeah...with Greenbacks in it:



Also, it needs to be mic'd and run through the PA and it's way too loud to do that. Otherwise it's like seeing Van Halen in 1976.

[Chad]

Yeah...with Greenbacks in it:



Also, it needs to be mic'd and run through the PA and it's way too loud to do that. Otherwise it's like seeing Van Halen in 1976.

Maybe disconnect one of the speakers, if one can handle the power. and/or get/build an attenuator?

[Mark Wein]

Maybe disconnect one of the speakers, if one can handle the power. and/or get/build an attenuator?

I've done the attenuator thing before, but I sold it a while ago. I'll have to check into the impedance issue with the speaker. I also have a 1x12 but it has a 16 ohm speaker in it so there is no clean headroom.

[Denverdave]

Yeah...with Greenbacks in it:



Also, it needs to be mic'd and run through the PA and it's way too loud to do that. Otherwise it's like seeing Van Halen in 1976.

That amp setup looks exactly like what the rhythm guitar player in Cage The Elephant was running last night. It was on the other side of the stage from us, but it was definitely a BF Bassman head running into a Fender 2 x 12 cab.

[Mark Wein]

So I tried playing a couple of classes last night through my Deluxe Reverb on the normal channel and it seemed to work fine the whole time. I've never really liked that channel as much as the vibrato channel on that amp but I figured I would give it a spin and it appears that maybe the issue with that amp is in the vibrato channel only. Since I'm really reworking all of my sounds anyway I was able to dial in some pretty cool tones with the Warmoth and needed very little pedal stacking...it was very big sounding and I think it'll be fine for right now....if I can shoot a little video I'll give it a spin this afternoon....

[Denverdave]

So I tried playing a couple of classes last night through my Deluxe Reverb on the normal channel and it seemed to work fine the whole time. I've never really liked that channel as much as the vibrato channel on that amp but I figured I would give it a spin and it appears that maybe the issue with that amp is in the vibrato channel only. Since I'm really reworking all of my sounds anyway I was able to dial in some pretty cool tones with the Warmoth and needed very little pedal stacking...it was very big sounding and I think it'll be fine for right now....if I can shoot a little video I'll give it a spin this afternoon....

I always use the vibrato channel on my DRRI as well, but I know on the BF setup the regular channel is not quite as treble heavy (the big issue with the DRRIs).

[Help!I'maRock!]

I always use the vibrato channel on my DRRI as well, but I know on the BF setup the regular channel is not quite as treble heavy (the big issue with the DRRIs).

The normal channel doesn't have the bright cap. Clip the bright cap on the vibrato channel and it'll sound much better with dirt pedals.

[Mark Wein]

I always use the vibrato channel on my DRRI as well, but I know on the BF setup the regular channel is not quite as treble heavy (the big issue with the DRRIs).

The normal channel doesn't have the bright cap. Clip the bright cap on the vibrato channel and it'll sound much better with dirt pedals.

I'm not sure how mine stacks up to a black face amp anymore or even a regular Silverface. It was modded and de-modded but who knows what that really means and it also has the Greenback in it. I think that since I started from scratch on how I'm managing my sounds and the instrument I'm using has more output didn't matter as much though. It's nice to not stack pedals so much anymore though.

[Denverdave]

The normal channel doesn't have the bright cap. Clip the bright cap on the vibrato channel and it'll sound much better with dirt pedals.

I have heard that, though mine does not sound bad with pedals as it is. But I run the treble on about 3 most of the time. I would be afraid to do that mod myself though...

[Mark Wein]

So I think I'm going to play this weekends gigs with the Deluxe on the Normal channel and see how it goes. It's much more useful sounding than the Bassman at this point and seems to be working fine.

[Elias Graves]

Mmm. Bassman.
I love those things, but I have zero need for anything like that.

EG

[Mark Wein]

Mmm. Bassman.
I love those things, but I have zero need for anything like that.

EG

It's a bit much for me, too.

[Mark Wein]

Tonight's rig. I'm ruminating between the second and third sets right now. Going to try the Suhr for the last set and see what it sounds like. I'm tempted to swap pick guards between instruments just to hear wht they sound like.

Tr deluxe is working fine on the normal channel although I think my pedalboard is due for some new cables


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[Mark Wein]

Ok. All set for the next set. I forgot how easy the Suhr plays next to the Warmoth. It's like I've been jogging with weights tied to my ankles.


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[Mark Wein]

so....after two nights in a row here's where I'm at....

The obvious instrument for the gig is my Suhr. The Deluxe Reverb works fine on the normal channel and because of the change in the stage setup I'm now getting away with running the amp a little louder so the need to stack drive pedals to get sounds at low volumes has gone away. Which means that everything sounds better and I'm spending less time screwing with gear and more time actually performing. Since we've gone to an all active speaker PA system the stage mix is also a lot cleaner and Dominic is running a stereo FOH mix so he puts a little extra guitar in the opposite site of the PA from me so that everything is more balanced in the room. Everything is also a little thicker sounding because of the amount of guitar in the FOH mix, too. I still think I'd like to trade the BB Preamp in for something else but just running things like this makes everything better already....and I have a good backup guitar for the gig with my Warmoth and I'll practice and teach on it to cut down on the wear and tear on the Suhr and with the wider string spacing its forcing me to pick a little better on gigs...


I guess things are pretty good for the moment

[telecaster911]

Awesome Do you know what you are going to replace the BB with yet?

[Mark Wein]

Awesome Do you know what you are going to replace the BB with yet?

I really dig the Carl Martin pedal we've been talking about this week. It's a bit pricey for me at the moment though...I could sell the BB Preamp but I also need a few pedals for use around the studio so I've been not wanting to get rid of the better ones.

[telecaster911]

I'd really like a plexitone also.

[Mark Wein]

I'd really like a plexitone also.

I get the feeling that it would be a big improvement in what i sound like. maybe that and something like a Suhr Riot in place of the direct drive for my "80's" sound and I'd be stoked. i could move the replaces pedals and one of the boosts to a second board that i could use at work.

[Peeker]

jeepers, Mark, just buy a Pod.
you'll have ALL the pedals.
and even Howie can't tell the difference


okay, he probably can, but no one else will be able to...


seriously though, it's a good idea.
and a better one for you guys who know yer pedal stuff.
you can run the effects dry, so yer amp tone is till there
that came out wrong...I htink you know what I mean

I just want it to go GRRR and BOIB bOInk boibnk and stuff...

[Help!I'maRock!]

jeepers, Mark, just buy a Pod.
you'll have ALL the pedals.
and even Howie can't tell the difference


okay, he probably can, but no one else will be able to...


seriously though, it's a good idea.
and a better one for you guys who know yer pedal stuff.
you can run the effects dry, so yer amp tone is till there
that came out wrong...I htink you know what I mean

I just want it to go GRRR and BOIB bOInk boibnk and stuff...

nobody can tell the difference just listening. fuck, nobody could tell if you were playing a Squier tele into a POD instead of a Suhr into one of those Fender Clapton amps. the only person who can tell is the one actually using the equipment. gear is for the player, not the audience.

personally, i don't want a do-all setup because i don't need one. i want these sounds and that's it. all the tweakability bullshit goes away when you finally program everything into the 3 patches you actually use.

[Mark Wein]

nobody can tell the difference just listening. fuck, nobody could tell if you were playing a Squier tele into a POD instead of a Suhr into one of those Fender Clapton amps. the only person who can tell is the one actually using the equipment. gear is for the player, not the audience.

personally, i don't want a do-all setup because i don't need one. i want these sounds and that's it. all the tweakability bullshit goes away when you finally program everything into the 3 patches you actually use.

Absolutely. And much of the overlap in my current pedalboard is becoming obsolete with the way I'm able to play my gig now so you might see a few things go away in this board....

[Peeker]

I don't use the Pod for giggging, just recording at home

I don thithk it's the best fofr gigs
too many pops when swapping tones
but for home, it's all I need

[Mark Wein]

i actually own a pod XT but I haven't used it in years. I should sell it actually.

[Peeker]

I can haz cheap?

[Mark Wein]

I can haz cheap?

I don't know..what do they go for? If i sell anything it needs to be a worthwhile (but fair) sale because I need to buy other gear. I bet its probably about $100-$150 on eBay though....it's pretty old.

[Peeker]

oh man, I don't want it for free or nothin', no wories.
I'm trying to get the whole crew into L6 stuff, so I can prog the sounds they need,
(i,e. become dictator)
this would be a stepping stone

you let me know what you think's fair, and if & when I can swing it (I may not be able to, jsyk), I"ll do what I can/

[Help!I'maRock!]

Absolutely. And much of the overlap in my current pedalboard is becoming obsolete with the way I'm able to play my gig now so you might see a few things go away in this board....

keeping track of your changes is difficult. up to the minute report?

[Peeker]

here's how I'd run it


clean(ish)
clean w/delay & chorus

crunchy
crunchy + (for oomphy bits)
(Like right before the pyro)

and then somehting to jack me for solos

and a wah so I could Hammmet some shit
I"m good at that

[Mark Wein]

oh man, I don't want it for free or nothin', no wories.
I'm trying to get the whole crew into L6 stuff, so I can prog the sounds they need,
(i,e. become dictator)
this would be a stepping stone

you let me know what you think's fair, and if & when I can swing it (I may not be able to, jsyk), I"ll do what I can/

will do!

keeping track of your changes is difficult. up to the minute report?

Well, I barely used my Ep Booster....the RC Booster seemed to cover everything I needed although there were times where I had both on at the same time. I think the Plexitone also has a boost in it so it would replace the EP booster and the BB Preamp. The Direct Drive sounds fine but I think that the Suhr Riot will be an upgrade for my "80's crunch" sound. Then the EP, BB and direct drive can be moved to a second board I can use at work for classes, which I actually do need.

[Help!I'maRock!]

i dunno. the Plexitone just seems like overkill to me.

[Mark Wein]

i dunno. the Plexitone just seems like overkill to me.

And what part of my pedalboard DOESN"T seem like overkill for my purposes?

[Help!I'maRock!]

And what part of my pedalboard DOESN"T seem like overkill for my purposes?

that's why you're downsizing.

[Mark Wein]

I'm not downsizing as much as streamlining


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