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    tonally, there's really no point in owning a bunch of Les Pauls, a 335, and a P90 equipped Firebird. at the end of the day, you're going to sound like you.

    the man rips. but you just can't tell a real difference when he switches guitars. he might be a touch brighter with a Firebird, but it all goes out the window when you start turning tone knobs and moving pickup selectors. i won't deny that there's a feel difference. because there's no way an LP and a Firebird wear the same. but don't we just compensate for each guitar anyway?

    at best, that kinda collection for the average weekend warrior or bedroom player is just fashion. Warren gets away with it because he's the main draw in a national touring act and is sponsored by Gibson. but for the vast majority of us, we should just find that one and go with it.

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    I could easily get by with just one guitar (well, two if you count a backup), but having a bunch of them is a lot more fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    but for the vast majority of us, we should just find that one and go with it.
    That would have to be a Fender Stratocaster then.
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    A Stratocaster and a Les Paul and I'm set.

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    I don't consider my four (Tele, LP (copy), Guild acoustic, Rodriguez classical) to be excessive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_huge View Post
    I don't consider my four (Tele, LP (copy), Guild acoustic, Rodriguez classical) to be excessive.
    i don't consider that excessive either. and i consider my collection on the brink of excessiveness. Prages collection is excessive.
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    I suck but that aside I am fine with one electric and one acoustic. It is just that right now, I have an irrational desire to have a specific electric that I dont currently own. I will eventually get my current one sold and buy the one I want and at that point be satisfied ............................................. for a while.

    Actually, I played a ASAT a few years ago and fell in love with it but couldnt afford it. Since then, I have traded up enough to be able to buy it once I sell what I have so it is like I am going to get the one that I have always wanted anyway so maybe I will be satiated for a longer period this time. Plus, I promised myself I would need to get a lot better as a player before I start accumulating guitars and amps. Cant justify it at my level of suck.

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    I use several guitars live, but that's more because of different tunings than anything else.
    That and when I need to do high gain stuff, the Strat doesn't really cut it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    i don't consider that excessive either. and i consider my collection on the brink of excessiveness. Prages collection is excessive.

    I could stand to lose a few.

    I do the bulk of my playing on the orange Warmoth, the US Masters, and the goldtop Wolfgang. I break out the others for recording, but they aren't played as much as they should be.

    There are a couple (like the Fernandes) that I hardly ever even use for recording.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexter Inferno View Post
    I use several guitars live, but that's more because of different tunings than anything else.
    That and when I need to do high gain stuff, the Strat doesn't really cut it.
    the Gibson Robot calls out to you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    the Gibson Robot calls out to you!
    Fuck Gibson robots in their fucking faces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    the Gibson Robot calls out to you!
    No fucking way I'll ever own that.
    Certainly not at the prices Gibson wants for it.

    Besides, Stones and similar tunes in open G (as an example) just sounds wrong on anything but a Tele.
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    I agree to an extent, Howie. When I listen to Haynes, it's pretty tough to tell which guitar he's playing. But I attribute that mostly to the fact that he's running his signal through such a massive rack. Of course I still sound like me when I play those different models, but the differences among the guitars on my rig seems much more substantial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dexter Inferno View Post
    No fucking way I'll ever own that.
    Certainly not at the prices Gibson wants for it.

    Besides, Stones and similar tunes in open G (as an example) just sounds wrong on anything but a Tele.
    they might "look wrong" but that's just preconceived notions. i could pull it off on a Hello Kitty guitar if i wanted to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    they might "look wrong" but that's just preconceived notions. i could pull it off on a Hello Kitty guitar if i wanted to.
    Actually I'd love to do a metal gig with a Hello Kitty strat sometime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxn slim View Post
    I agree to an extent, Howie. When I listen to Haynes, it's pretty tough to tell which guitar he's playing. But I attribute that mostly to the fact that he's running his signal through such a massive rack. Of course I still sound like me when I play those different models, but the differences among the guitars on my rig seems much more substantial.
    i don't think it has much to do with the rack. Warren's got a certain style and he's going to turn the tone knobs a certain way. the rack just makes things easier for him to switch between sounds. if anything is the equalizer in that rig, it's the Soldano.
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    I shan't let this bit of information prevent me from amassing more and more guitars for my collection (currently at 15).

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    I play four electrics on a regular basis depending on the gig. Most of my friends who gig for a living end up getting all of their live sounds out of some sort of "Super Strat" utility guitar (unless its a style-specific gig). My "collection" of other guitars was really built when I thought I was going to have a much busier recording career.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    i don't consider that excessive either. and i consider my collection on the brink of excessiveness. Kerouac's collection is excessive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    i don't think it has much to do with the rack. Warren's got a certain style and he's going to turn the tone knobs a certain way. the rack just makes things easier for him to switch between sounds. if anything is the equalizer in that rig, it's the Soldano.
    Well yeah. Whether it's the rack in the middle or the amps at the end, the point I intended was that his signal is so affected that the differences in pickups and body shape are seriously marginalized. I've heard him play through some strats, and i had to make a double take because I couldn't believe he had just changed guitars.
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    I own more shit than I need, but that's mostly just taste. I could totally get by with just having one electric six string. I've thought about unloading a bunch of stuff and leveling up in such a way. But mostly I own a bunch of different things because I like the variety. No one else could probably tell the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaxn slim View Post
    Well yeah. Whether it's the rack in the middle or the amps at the end, the point I intended was that his signal is so affected that the differences in pickups and body shape are seriously marginalized. I've heard him play through some strats, and i had to make a double take because I couldn't believe he had just changed guitars.
    i've seen him play through a Super Reverb, and still sound the same. some people just sound like themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sad Navigator View Post
    I own more shit than I need, but that's mostly just taste. I could totally get by with just having one electric six string. I've thought about unloading a bunch of stuff and leveling up in such a way. But mostly I own a bunch of different things because I like the variety. No one else could probably tell the difference.
    I could reduce my electric collection to probably three, but I like having several different guitars at work to choose from. I can walk in and say, "ok is it Strat, Tele, or LP today" or tailor it to each song I'm working on with students.

    If I was only going to keep three electrics it would be:

    1. Reverend Ron Asheton
    2. My MIM Squier
    3. My LTD Explorer

    Everything else COULD go, but I think I'd probably miss my Xaviere Thinline and the Blue Meanie is my only strat-style.

    I can't make any cuts from my acoustic collection though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerouac View Post

    I can't make any cuts from my acoustic collection though.
    show me the discernable differences between them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    show me the discernable differences between them.
    • '69 Fender acoustic has mojo. Much mojo. The few people who I let play it are in love with it. It used to be my #1, but right now it's not in the rotation.
    • Godin 5th Avenue is the only archtop I have, plus was a gift from my mum. I love writing on it.
    • Emerald X7 is carbon fiber, killer recorder, my NAMM souvenir and is just really unique.
    • '84 Yamaha was my 1st guitar. Still sounds great.
    • Dean Dao is my gigging guitar, plus a Christmas present from my mum.
    • 80's Fender Concord is the 1st guitar I ever bought myself and I played it in all my high school and college bands until I got the Dean. Fantastic neck, nice midrange.
    • SP&P Cedar/Mahogany is a nice fingerstyle guitar with a chunkier neck.
    • Alvarez MD60. Really versatile and I'm fine teaching on it or going to play with friends. Also has a cedar top, but it's a bit brighter and compresses nicely when strummed hard.
    • 50's Buckeye Parlor. That's my couch guitar, although it has no truss rod and is probably due to be a slide guitar in the next few years unless it gets a neck reset. Has the "backwoods blues."
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    all I need is my strat and my les paul...

    ...and my sheraton2...

    all i need is my strat and my les paul and my sheraton2...

    ...and my P90 guitar...

    all I need is my strat and my les paul and my sheraton2 and my P90 guitar...

    ...and my tele...

    all I need is my strat and my les paul and my sheraton2 and my P90 guitar and my tele...

    ...and my acoustic...

    all I need is my strat and my les paul and my sheraton2 and my P90 guitar and my tele and my acoustic...

    ...and my bass...

    all I need is my strat and my les paul and my sheraton2 and my P90 guitar and my tele and my acoustic and my bass...

    ...and my backup strat...

    all I need is my strat and my les paul and my sheraton2 and my P90 guitar and my tele and my acoustic and my bass and my backup strat...

    ...and that's really all i need...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kerouac View Post
    I could reduce my electric collection to probably three, but I like having several different guitars at work to choose from. I can walk in and say, "ok is it Strat, Tele, or LP today" or tailor it to each song I'm working on with students.

    If I was only going to keep three electrics it would be:

    1. Reverend Ron Asheton
    2. My MIM Squier
    3. My LTD Explorer

    Everything else COULD go, but I think I'd probably miss my Xaviere Thinline and the Blue Meanie is my only strat-style.

    I can't make any cuts from my acoustic collection though.
    You know, if I were really motivated to de-clutter I could unload my electrics and just get a nice Jazzmaster and be content. I'd still have my 12 string and my acoustic for variety's sake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Help!I'maRock! View Post
    i've seen him play through a Super Reverb, and still sound the same. some people just sound like themselves.
    I think that many players just end up aiming for the sound they hear in their head when they start turning knobs....thats kind of my M.O. The gear might add a little coloration but it's not the final arbiter of how things sound coming out the speaker.

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    I have seven electrics but I only really play three of them.

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