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reitze trolls a troll
http://thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=757490
this is going to get really good.
What a jackass.
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I wonder if he could build a dumble overdrive special into one of those hollow dean V guitars. The TGP guys would love that.
hi guys
How is that anything like trolling? it just offers 1 opinion on a thread that was a ho-hum same-old nothin new... or is there a touch of envy to over label things like that cause of fashion? or what? does ya'll really think that's irritating over there on tgp? imho the anti-intellectualisms are worse but at least there was a hopeful thread... though not sure how far that will go in thier fassion zone. Are they really a lost cause where anythying positive gets neg-labeled?
the thread starter was hoping to get a flame war going. TGP is a very um...reserved crowd. they like there Gibsons and Fenders. or they like their Private Stock PRS and boutique gear. there's not much room for the average guitar player gear there. considering that you weren't very well received there to begin with, yeah, your post is trolling no matter how honest it is.Originally Posted by reitze
hi guys
it's still funny though.
That about sums it up... And, your guitars are complete hacks and you know it, even if you do like them... You know damn well what TGP is about... However, that said, keep up the good work!!
I may or may not have completely misinterpreted my misconceptions as perceptions of misconstrued disinformation...
Thanks guys! You keep the teasing fun
Even I could get myself banned over there.the thread starter was hoping to get a flame war going. TGP is a very um...reserved crowd. they like there Gibsons and Fenders. or they like their Private Stock PRS and boutique gear. there's not much room for the average guitar player gear there. considering that you weren't very well received there to begin with, yeah, your post is trolling no matter how honest it is.
it's still funny though.
Heck, my #1 is a modded Squier.
I guess I'll sign up over there if I suddenly get the urge to have some hilarity going on.
reitze! I wish I could have logged in over there and thanked you in that thread.
You mentioned my name and guitar as an inspiration for you. Thank you, thank you.
Suddenly, I owe you some promotional display.
You're not a troll. That's now just a default online insult.
If you were coming from an existing guitar attitude, with just your versions, maybe.
But you're coming from an original and inventive perspective, above ordinary manufacture.
I know that because I know it for myself. I wish everyone was like that in every way.
I still think you need a better user name for wider dissemination.
How about Ell10 Off10, Elten Often? Ell10on? Ell10 On&Off?
The three R's, riffing, riding and rowing, with a hint of mowing.
Only reitze can put that up and put us through with all of that.
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Well funny thing honesty can be... sometimes gets us in trouble for "trolling"... and amazing other tings (eg: Lier Lier) other times just toleration achieved and sometimes fun or even appreciated - as it seems to have turned out. Funny how this thread turns out educational too. Thanks again guys!the thread starter was hoping to get a flame war going. TGP is a very um...reserved crowd. they like there Gibsons and Fenders. or they like their Private Stock PRS and boutique gear. there's not much room for the average guitar player gear there. considering that you weren't very well received there to begin with, yeah, your post is trolling no matter how honest it is.
it's still funny though.
wait I got it!
man, that thread just keeps getting better.
don't ya love it? not sure if I'm stayin or goin at this point. lol.
edit: clarification was about that TGP thread.
Last edited by reitze; 08-20-2010 at 08:26 PM.
Marvin K. Mooney, will you please go NOW?
huh?... uh?... sniff...sniffle... all those pictures... and all those stories...
I thought reitze was my friend... and now he's just a troll trollin' someone else...
sniffle... sniffle... okay. that's okay... he's not an inventor.
My build's still here.
Hi John. I'm still around and I will always be an inventor (9 issued patents).
That trollin word is a mess too - like the fag label used to get slung at everyone. When you or I post on technology that's not really trolling no matter how many mobsters call it such.
Well so much for TGP. Time to go take a shower - yuck.
wow, admin deleted like half the thread.Well so much for TGP. Time to go take a shower - yuck.
great troll!!!
what got deleted? Will enjoy your perspectives on the whole thing since for me the dialog of that sort is the whole point of having such discussions. Perhapse I give them too much credit and it's really more like a guitars-blog in the back of a playboy magazine site or something.wow, admin deleted like half the thread.
great troll!!!
how do they get/build/keep more than porn the way operated... ok maybe that's their point so great troll job? tell me more oh wise massa.
when you got banned, it was at 12 pages. he cut out 6 pages including more than 50 of your posts. he left a lot in there though. i'm kinda suprised at some of what stayed.what got deleted? Will enjoy your perspectives on the whole thing since for me the dialog of that sort is the whole point of having such discussions. Perhapse I give them too much credit and it's really more like a guitars-blog in the back of a playboy magazine site or something.
don't worry about it. the whole reason i started a thread here was because i saw it coming and wanted to have an actual discussion. which after 5 pages is finally getting somewhere.
It is nice imho when the discussions develop enough depth. Sorta seems all they're missing is a better control mechanism than banning those who expose their vanities ... appearws.
Btw power is out here now...phone works.should go tweet.
if you approach them with depth, then they'll develop. but spamming and hoping a discussion will develop is a recipe for bannination.It is nice imho when the discussions develop enough depth. Sorta seems all they're missing is a better control mechanism than banning those who expose their vanities ... appearws.
Btw power is out here now...phone works.
From my perspective I gave them truts they fear... depth... they called me names...then flamed worse till they got their way and their forum is left absent real depth. Curious how that may appear from another perspective.. btw, many enginering blogs handle that fine... bu it seems when multi flames get tolerated mob rules and it appears a core reason mwgf is soooo much better.
from their perspective, you didn't give them anything except youtube videos and hyperbole. i applaud your enthusiasm, but you needed to step back and approach them on terms they can have a discussion with. you're the one trying to change the market, not them. it's their turf. doesn't matter if they're cavemen. the inability to relate to somebody on their terms is where ideas, no matter how good they might be, fall flat.
The "trap" is if you try to offer them depth you get flamed to thbe point where responses can become characterized, usually as. Spam but in reality that remains the core of that thread even now... so it just appears childish like 4chan.
if you try to have a reasonable discussion on a forum, it can happen. you just have to ignore the people who want to turn it into a flame-fest.
there's actually a lot of forward thinking people on TGP. they just get lost among the Gibson fanboys.
Well said. Still telling cave men about real houses seemed like a good thing. The problem is teir audience reaches past caves.... I for one would like to see forums like theirs manage that ballance better. Hcaf is an example that's worse. And by the time its disintegrted to 4chan its nothing but noise which is about what's left of the thread now... contrast to medweb omg or other pro blogs and even here... good forums are valuable and the nasty ones are just forms of porn... sure there things where those are the only place the batboy story is alloud print...weekly world news...tgp...hcaf,...4chan... I won't worry about being banned from hell either.
telling cavemen about houses doesn't really do anything for them. telling them about plumbing and ventilation might though. they've already got a house.
I like to dream tooo
try living in reality sometime!I like to dream tooo
P. I have been bullied and have had to fight the wole playground at once... they're very lucky. Only one kid got ___. There are times to fight and times to hide. So I fought. Well see in a few years who won. Like when power guitars wipe out their business
I've gotten 3 "warnings" over there (TGP).Even I could get myself banned over there.
I almost never get banninanted or warned anywhere else.
The sole exception being ultimate-guitar.com, which appears to be moderated a couple hundred mentally challenged Limey pre-teens, who delight in random and thread-specific rules. I've gotten several week-long bans there.
uh huh.P. I have been bullied and have had to fight the wole playground at once... they're very lucky. Only one kid got ___. There are times to fight and times to hide. So I fought. Well see in a few years who won. Like when power guitars wipe out their business
Be nice.
Imho first sign of trouble seems unanswered inappropriate flames. Not that they exist like even here. But above where paul calls help on it and help explains where the positive hope exists...then we move on. Over there without teacher present waldo better run and hide till he comes up with. A bazuka or a power guitar. And once the weapon is exposed he'd best use it. Thanks again guys. Gotta go for now.
I would love to know how you get into trouble. You are one of the most even mannered folks online that I know.
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Hi Mark, thanks. IDK perhapse a Jesus-syndrom (truth=scary-so-kill)? some sort of jellosy/envy? vested interests in status quo? change resistance? I don't mean that religiously but intellectually/socially/analytically.I would love to know how you get into trouble. You are one of the most even mannered folks online that I know.
If I have any guilt it appears my technically sound posts are considered off-topic spam. I'm certain they were't really spam in a technical sense but from perception of their members who are mostly non-technical artists who murder the logic presented to them "kill em... nice ass!..." Having taken on their shut up I wanna see pretty requests with more on-topic truth was arguing rationally with the irrational.
And there were others who must have wished I'd been even more aggressive with that tact - like "bump for more Powergutiar spam". Another motive to increase technical content while they irrationally want something else and bitch about it is that I don't feel like shutting up per instruction of co-forum member is appropriate to give flames that sort of reward. And sure irrational forums exist all over for fashion applied to nearly everything. EG: what makes a PRS better than my $78 Averez? Ok I'm pushing it on that one. But the point is when the mods back flames they reward breaking their own rules so basically they don't have any real rules over there.
For what it's worth from what I've seen it's the SEMI-TECHNICAL blogs that are the worst. Like TGP and HCAF, I've seen a similar mess in automotive topic-blogs. Once you get fully over to fashion then it's just about that. But with autos, guitars, stuff like that its still a mix of fashion/technical and for those topics to fit together into a single forum it's my impression that it takes aggressive admonition to flamers by nearly everyone (like here and thanks for that) so that fashion is in fashion threads and technical is in technical threads. Once that works out the forum should be great for everyone. And I don't think I'm the only one saying there's something special about MWGF. So I'm speculating this is a big part of that success. Please do educate if I'm missing something so I may continue choosing my battles with increasing effectiveness - thanks.
Whatever it is its appreciated here. Thanks Mark.
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you're missing the fact that Mark was responding to Brian Krashpad, not you.
you're missing the fact that Mark was responding to Brian Krashpad, not you.
As usual Help!I'maRock! is correct
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OOPS looks like Mark wasn't complimenting me but rather Brian. Hope I'm perceived OK too.
Flame-hate = a forum killer EG: Automotive blog experience.
BTW, about 10 years back I searched about doing valves on an engine and wound up in an automotive forum. At first there were some helpful info but seemed hostile to those offering it.
Whenever someone talked about how to do something there were a few there who constantly put them down while holding up some impossible and expensive technique as though the other person were crazy. The ordinary folks mostly lerked and occaisionally offered inadequate counter-ballance.
I really saw it go south when I described how I did a valve job myself with a drill and grit (it worked). Some went ballistic and the forum became shit from my perspective. I left after someone else took up the cause talking about the history of automotive maintenance in the process and how farmers did exactly what reitze did with their model As and Ts. I've never gone back either.
Sad for the rest of the peps there who could have enjoyed a better forum. I would have enjoyed telling stories of my backyard mechanics. But in a forum of dealership/pro's with attitudes it became not worth it.
So what gives? Why didn't such an automotive-forum have threads on both without haters crossing the lines? And why do dealership mechanics have such hatred toward backyard mechanics?
I guess some things we'll never know, and some we may figure out.
My father-in-law was a dealership mechanic for many years before opening his own shop. He hated working on Saturdays because that was when the "backyard" or "shade tree" mechanics would bring their cars in for him to fix their mistakes.
These days you also need quite a bit of education to be a dealership mechanic...cars aren't (relatively) simple machines anymore. The difference between my 1965 Chevy Truck and 2002 Suburban (which occupy the same basic platform within their respective model years) is radical.
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people want to talk about what they bought, not what they made. there's no "keeping up with the Joneses" involved when you build or mod something. but if you buy it, that means everybody can be jealous of you.
professionals hate DIYers because it takes money out of their pockets. you passing on the information might cause somebody else to do the mod or repair themself, taking more money out of their pocket.
Most "professionals" I've known were't like those in that forum. Many professional mechanic friends have enjoyed discussions of projects with me. So it's not professionals but rather those who were on that forum (a subset). And in that context taking more $ out of their pocket is another lie... rather keeping it in the pocket of the person who needs a valve job or whatever. That's not hurting the mechanic its helping someone who has a problem and would otherwise fall victim to such a dishonest mechanic. Many good mechanics tell DIY'rs truthful things while in return we bring our business among our wider set of friends to them.
I don't think it has to be a choice between talk with DIY'ers or Jonesers either. I can appreciate a nice air-brush paint job like anyone even if I can't afford it (though I may prefer diff theme than on whatever car).
Meanwhile all those bully attitudes haven't stopped any real DIYers. Perhapse one half-baked somewhere that would bring them a mess? IDK you'd think they'd like that one
That's interesting.
My grandfather built/owned a transportation company with >180 busses and quite a number of other vehicles. I learned to weld in my grandfathers bus garage when I was a kid. Those mechanics were DIY'rs themselves. I suspect there's some greater rift among mechanics at large. What maybe relevant here is that most of us are late to catch on to whatever rift that was.
I hope your father inlaw's shop worked out well. :thu Was/is it a dealership or repair-only?
it takes a certain kinda person to go seek out discussion forums. i don't think most people want to be bothered
friends. we tend to make friends with people who hold similar mindsets to us. especially professionally. and those friends are more likely to share their ideas with you. because they're friends. not some dude on the internet.Many professional mechanic friends have enjoyed discussions of projects with me. So it's not professionals but rather those who were on that forum (a subset).
well that's the perspective of the DIYer, not the mechanic. i agree with you. but that doesn't make the other point of view any less valid.And in that context taking more $ out of their pocket is another lie... rather keeping it in the pocket of the person who needs a valve job or whatever. That's not hurting the mechanic its helping someone who has a problem and would otherwise fall victim to such a dishonest mechanic.
it doesn't have to be a choice though that's usually what happens. you get the do-ers and the spectators. the vast majority are spectators. and that gets back to why the guitar market is a fashion show. because people want the guitar that Jimmy Page played and then they want to spend their time learning songs that Jimmy Page wrote and recorded. they're not necessarily into creating something for themselves.I don't think it has to be a choice between talk with DIY'ers or Jonesers either. I can appreciate a nice air-brush paint job like anyone even if I can't afford it (though I may prefer diff theme than on whatever car).
Meanwhile all those bully attitudes haven't stopped any real DIYers. Perhapse one half-baked somewhere that would bring them a mess? IDK you'd think they'd like that one
personally, i fall somewhere in the middle. i want what i want and i'll spend the money to make sure i do it right so that i can be creative. but i don't have the ability or the desire to build it for myself. i want to plug in, wiggle my fingers, and create something that's hopefully unique.
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